ledzep Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 http://www.newamericanpaintings.com/mfa2000/websupplement/images/speterson-stereotype.jpg'> everyone should do this. unfortunately, there is no way to make everyone do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 zesto- "oh yeah... I totally agree that not all skinheads are facists" You should have said not all skinheads are racist, which is true. For the most part, all skins ARE fascists, which is different from being racist. And if I may, Id like to point out an error in the article Mang posted. "2. There are SHARPS or ARA Skinheads. Sometimes they’re communists, sometimes they’re not" Thats not true, ARA is mostly anarchists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToYs Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by Mr. Mang for those who believe you can't "un-ring a bell" or get rid of sterotypes consider this: kids in gangs spraypaint on walls to mark territory, right? kids like you do it for art. both called grafitti even though you have different intent. do you allow people to call you a gang member because of what you do? of course not. i hope that was a decent scenario. very good point.... bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToYs Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by deadlydnut Napalm Death - Nazi Punks Fuck Off... actually that song was origionally done by the dead kennedys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest serpent of the light Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 now as usual, i'm too fucking lazy to read most of the posts. i read some though. and vinyl's thought on "enough of them are... blah blah blah" is sheer fucking idiocy. a shaved head does not make a skinhead. TRUE skinheads are not racist. skinhead is about working class pride, this will often bring in issues about mass immigration (jobs over run by immigrants, taking away the jobs held by the working class for so long...) but thats not racism, that is caring about your job. i'm pretty sure that anyone can identify with that sentiment. calling a skin a nazi is bullshit. if you wanna say "a large chunk of nazis are racist" go right a fucking head. but if you're gonna say skinheads are racist, you're gonna be talking about the wrong group. that's bullshit. a group that stands for pride in your work being compared with a group that takes pride in what you're born into. FUCK YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shameless self promotion Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by serpent of the light now as usual, i'm too fucking lazy to read most of the posts. i read some though. and vinyl's thought on "enough of them are... blah blah blah" is sheer fucking idiocy. a shaved head does not make a skinhead. TRUE skinheads are not racist. skinhead is about working class pride, this will often bring in issues about mass immigration (jobs over run by immigrants, taking away the jobs held by the working class for so long...) but thats not racism, that is caring about your job. i'm pretty sure that anyone can identify with that sentiment. calling a skin a nazi is bullshit. if you wanna say "a large chunk of nazis are racist" go right a fucking head. but if you're gonna say skinheads are racist, you're gonna be talking about the wrong group. that's bullshit. a group that stands for pride in your work being compared with a group that takes pride in what you're born into. FUCK YOU. I sense some anger there... I really dont have an openion..i really dont know any skinheads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest serpent of the light Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 yeah, i get pretty pissed off about this stuff. i'm a skinhead and a ton of my friends and family are as well. when someone says that i must be a nazi for it, i will get pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GEAsusONEnep Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Where the fuck do these nerds live? Never seen a skinhead in my entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomerJayII Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by serpent of the light now as usual, i'm too fucking lazy to read most of the posts. i read some though. and vinyl's thought on "enough of them are... blah blah blah" is sheer fucking idiocy. a shaved head does not make a skinhead. TRUE skinheads are not racist. skinhead is about working class pride, this will often bring in issues about mass immigration (jobs over run by immigrants, taking away the jobs held by the working class for so long...) but thats not racism, that is caring about your job. i'm pretty sure that anyone can identify with that sentiment. calling a skin a nazi is bullshit. if you wanna say "a large chunk of nazis are racist" go right a fucking head. but if you're gonna say skinheads are racist, you're gonna be talking about the wrong group. that's bullshit. a group that stands for pride in your work being compared with a group that takes pride in what you're born into. FUCK YOU. OI' OI'. DEAD ON. THE TRADITIONAL SKINHEAD CULTURE ORIGINATED AS A WORKING CLASS MOVEMENT. AS "SERPENT..." SAID IT, WITH AN INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS COMING IN FROM THE VARIOUS BRITISH COMMONWEALTHS, THESE GUYS HAD REASON TO WORRY. IT WAS A REAL CONCERN, NOT RACIST SHIT FOR THESE SAME GUYS WOULD FUNNEL INTO DANCE HALLS TO LISTEN TO JAMAICAN SKA/REGGAE MUSIC. SURE THERES RACIST SKINHEADS, BUT GO TO THE TERRACES DURING A SOCCER GAME IN ENGLAND AND YOU CAN SEE MANY OF THEM GETTING BEAT UP BY TRUE SKINS. AS FOR THE ARA/SHARP/RASH SKINHEADS, I CAN SEE THEIR SENTIMENT BUT THEIR EXISTANCE IS JUST AS MUCH BULLSHIT AS THE NAZI SKINHEADS. REAL SKINHEADS COULDNT GIVE A FUCK. REAL SKINS SEE THE TREMENDOUS BULLSHIT AT BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM. MOST OF THE SKINS I KNOW LIVE TO WORK, FUCK, AND DRINK BEER. THEY COULD GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT WHOSE WHAT COLOR AND WHOSE A BIGGOT, THEIR POLITICS STEM FROM THE TRUTH NOT HATE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl junkie Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by serpent of the light now as usual, i'm too fucking lazy to read most of the posts. i read some though. and vinyl's thought on "enough of them are... blah blah blah" is sheer fucking idiocy. a shaved head does not make a skinhead. TRUE skinheads are not racist. skinhead is about working class pride, this will often bring in issues about mass immigration (jobs over run by immigrants, taking away the jobs held by the working class for so long...) but thats not racism, that is caring about your job. i'm pretty sure that anyone can identify with that sentiment. calling a skin a nazi is bullshit. if you wanna say "a large chunk of nazis are racist" go right a fucking head. but if you're gonna say skinheads are racist, you're gonna be talking about the wrong group. that's bullshit. a group that stands for pride in your work being compared with a group that takes pride in what you're born into. FUCK YOU. fuck me? ok, maybe you didn't understand what i was getting at... i was saying that in my personal experience enough of the skins i meet are racist, and make me put up my guard when meeting any skin... did you read where i said i have many skin friends? when you wear the uniform you immediately associate yourself with a group that has the image in society as being entirely racist-- that's not what i think tho... i work security at a club... 50% of the skins that come to my club are blatant racists, and 90% are very violent... some of them are not... some of them work right along side me... I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL SAY THAT I IMMEDIATELY ASSUME ANY SKIN IS A NAZI... i have been involved with the SHARPs in my past... i share the same working class views as most of them, and, i'm assuming from your post, as you... i chose to stop wearing the uniform do to the connotation associated with it... i get enough shit being tattooed and pierced, i don't need people thinking i'm racist too (i get it regardless in most of the areas i spend time in, just because caucasions are the minority, i don't need to have people thinking there's a swastica tattooed on my chest...) anyways, i think what i'm getting at is, FUCK YOU TOO... i have no quips with people's beliefs about race, sex, religion, whatever... i may not agree, but i believe everyone is entitled to their opinion... but when it comes down to violence i have a huge problem with that... people have no right to cause other people harm because they don't agree, or, as is often the case, again, in my own personal experience, just for kicks... i don't want to have people disliking me simply because we don't share a belief system... but in the mean time, if youcome at me swinging because i looked atyou funny, or because i told you to hide your beer, then i will have no fucking problem sending your teeth across the street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
test pattern Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agt. Adopus Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by yoink good point let the knowledge spread and infect :idea: Shut up you fucking T.R.U.T.H "activist". Go die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agt. Adopus Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 As for the ARA I demonstrate with them, they are not communists, although some say they are because they get the impression from groups like the Anti Fascist Action... And fascist was a term brought out by communists. Then adopted to discribe oppressive regimes and governments by anarchists, socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vans Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 CHAOS IN SOUTH LONDON CIVIL WAR NOW SKINS TAKING OVER LIKE SKINS KNOW HOW SKINS WITH HIS BOOTS ON NOBODIES FOOL SKINS WILL TAKE OVER CHAOS IS THE RULE CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS DONT GIVE A TOSS! mook was a skinhead at one point im tempted to become a skinhead cause punk rock is getting boring and i dont want to be associated with little wannabes who think they know everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vans Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by deadlydnut Napalm Death - Nazi Punks Fuck Off... oh my god what is wrong with you first of all its a dead kennedys song second its not about nazis its about poser punks "punk is no religous cult punk is how you define yourself you aint hardcore when u spike your hair but a jock still lives inside your head" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 ^^Uh... didn't you just say: Originally posted by vans i dont want to be associated with little wannabes who think they know everything :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mang Posted May 31, 2002 Author Share Posted May 31, 2002 firstly, please keep the petty high school online fights to yourselves. you'll ruin the thread. secondly, thanks for all the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vans Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 its against posers im kinda lost if you go to shows now adays at big venues no one can dance no one respects anyone and no one parties afterwards were as in small venues its the same people go to the same shows and they all support the local scene rather than the scene in gnereal and everyone knows everyone its kinda like graffiti 1/4 of these guys paint 1/4 do but suck the other half act like they are the best writers ever and put the people who suck down when all they need is a helping hand. and most of these guys dont paint like the stupid kids at big shows most of them dont go to local shows at ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl junkie Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by Mr. Mang firstly, please keep the petty high school online fights to yourselves. you'll ruin the thread. is this directed at me? cuz i really don't feel this is "petty highschool fight", i think we're actually having a rather important discussion, even if we are getting a little heated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest serpent of the light Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by vinyl junkie anyways, i think what i'm getting at is, FUCK YOU TOO... i have no quips with people's beliefs about race, sex, religion, whatever... i may not agree, but i believe everyone is entitled to their opinion... but when it comes down to violence i have a huge problem with that... people have no right to cause other people harm because they don't agree, or, as is often the case, again, in my own personal experience, just for kicks... i don't want to have people disliking me simply because we don't share a belief system... but in the mean time, if youcome at me swinging because i looked atyou funny, or because i told you to hide your beer, then i will have no fucking problem sending your teeth across the street... i agree, this is not "petty highschool shit" (i graduate tomorrow!) it is somewhat important, and it means a hell of a lot to me. as far as people having their own beliefs, sure, let them. but i'm a firm believer in making my voice twice as loud as anyone elses. if i hear a nazi preaching, i'll be screaming SHARP news at the top of my lungs. i dont like violence as a means of forcing one to believe something, i'm far too anti-christian to accept that shit, but i'm not against a fight. most people nowadays are far from willing to sit down and talk about whats wrong between them and solve it that way, being "neanderthalic" about it and brawling seems to work best for a momentary solution. unfortunately thats a cycle that probably won't end for quite sometime. and uh, my bad on not reading your other posts. sorry bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCEBERG Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 someone needs to tell em the south lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by --zeSto-- well here's a better version of the stereotyping... pierced left ear = straight pierced right ear = gay well what if you have both ears pierced? (like mine) (What --zeSto-- is trying to say: "I like to take it in the butt whille doing another dude in the butt.", or something to that effect.):mad: :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mang Posted June 1, 2002 Author Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by iCEBERG someone needs to tell em the south lost apparently you didn't read one sentence of the first post i made in this thread . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by --zeSto-- well sorry to tell you... but the skinhead has changed! it IS associated with Racism, and that connection will not be broken. Just like the Swastika was turned from a universal symbol of faith, into a generic symbol of hatered. Some things cant be turn back to the way they once were. you're right man. And all those american and european Muslims should just convert, throw their beliefs away, because in Western eyes Islam will be forever connected to what happened in September. if you are a Skin because of what you believe - it can't ever be a simple matter of just "giving it up" because of public perception. If you are a Skin because its who *you* are - how can you change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mang Posted June 1, 2002 Author Share Posted June 1, 2002 ^ amen. thanks for clearning that up. i couldnt find an easy way to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 you're welcome good thread btw. Information's worth can never be gauged by it's popularity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCEBERG Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by Mr. Mang apparently you didn't read one sentence of the first post i made in this thread . . . apparently you assumed that was directed at you and/or your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoink Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 "Shut up you fucking T.R.U.T.H "activist". Go die" ouch:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mang Posted June 1, 2002 Author Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by iCEBERG apparently you assumed that was directed at you and/or your post sorry. it was just assumed you read the subject and posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl junkie Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 Originally posted by serpent of the light i agree, this is not "petty highschool shit" (i graduate tomorrow!) it is somewhat important, and it means a hell of a lot to me. as far as people having their own beliefs, sure, let them. but i'm a firm believer in making my voice twice as loud as anyone elses. if i hear a nazi preaching, i'll be screaming SHARP news at the top of my lungs. i dont like violence as a means of forcing one to believe something, i'm far too anti-christian to accept that shit, but i'm not against a fight. most people nowadays are far from willing to sit down and talk about whats wrong between them and solve it that way, being "neanderthalic" about it and brawling seems to work best for a momentary solution. unfortunately thats a cycle that probably won't end for quite sometime. and uh, my bad on not reading your other posts. sorry bro. thank you serpent... you just made my weekend a lot better... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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