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Clever Name

Fighting and getting heated after getting gone over..

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Originally posted by Veeeeeeeeee!

I disagree on how you generalize anyone who is willing to fight over what they live as "barbaric".

To some folks mind you, graffiti is not some

weekend hobby. It IS a lifestyle.

 

"Anyone who is willing to fight over what they live?" I never said that. This putting words in my mouth thing is getting out of hand. I'm talking about graf and graf ONLY. If you're fighting for world peace or defending innocent people against attack or some shit like that then, by all means, fight your fucking ass off.

 

which leads me to believe you have gone

over, thought of going over someone prominent and or are now confronted with repercussions and questions.

Alas, lack of respect.

 

No. But you've built a nice little scenario in your head, you should take up playwrighting with that imagination.

 

With the comment "Blah,Blah,Blah I've painted in

some pretty fucked up ghettos."

Hints a total lack of respect to the underprivleged

neighborhoods you're fucking up [...] have some respect for people who can't make it in life in which neighborhoods you are writing upon.

 

What the hell? You sound like someone who just dislikes graf. From my experience, doing a piece or catching a simple on a wall in a dirty ass, grimey ghetto only makes it look better. This is an argument for an anti-graf topic or something...

 

 

when you spray some shit throwup

on my 35 ft burner, Noahh. The situation is no longer kibbles and bits, my friend.

 

Well good for you. Have a fun time beating my ass to a pulp when the kibbles and bits have settled. The only way I'm doing a throwup over a 35-foot burner is if it's a swastika.

 

On the other hand,

If you happen to "defend yourself" from

punishment, prepare for a swift premeditated plethora of cheap

tricks and dastardly fighting-a-gorilla-in-a-phonebooth-type-shit. to make sure

your day of reckoning is unavoidable.

 

Forget playwright, you should move to Hong Kong and make kung-fu movies.

 

After your sudden retirement from part-time graffing and are slowly but surely

recovering from a compound-fractured jaw,black eyes and

a cereberal hematoma I would love to have a intelligent chat

on how we were both wrong and perhaps we could

all sit down to hot cup of Ovaltine.

 

Wow, you've really impressed me with this "harsh life lesson." I hope you've gotten the most out of your self-indulgent festival of things-you-would-do-to-prove-you're-old-school-and-will-not-stand-for-any-disrespecting-know-it-alls. It's been entertaining.

 

Have a great day!

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"The fucked up Ghetto" statement was not directed

towards the graff, just the general attitude and

description of the area. Tasteless choice of words

and obviously the statement of an outsider is all.

 

I have no meat to cook and no desire to dine.

All in good fun. The 35ft burner swastika

thing was pretty funny.

 

As for "things-to-do-to-prove-you-are-old-school-

and-will-not-stand-for-any-disrespecting"

 

It's not really like that.... just principles,comrade.

 

Respect where respect due and it'll be

like a jewish hoiday for everybody. Peace&Comfort

 

:P

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I guess describing a ghetto area that's been hit hard with decline as "fucked up" will aggrevate some people's sensibilities, so I apologize if I did that. What I mean by "fucked up" relates to economic opportunity, communal infrastructure, depression, etc... Yeah, bad choice of words I guess. No one ever accused me of being elegant.

 

My point is still simply that starting fights over graff is pretty stupid.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

....I also said that dissing and going over each other and shit like that is a part of graf that I think makes it interesting. Fighting about it, on the other hand, is taking it a step too far, and since most overly-macho-aggressive-tough-guy writers associate dissing with physical violence, I typically make the choice not to go over people, but I will if it comes down to someone singling me or a friend of mine out for no real reason. Still doesn't mean I wanna fight, but it goes along the lines of defending myself. Hopefully you see my overly-complex point.

 

 

hey man, you think dissing makes graff interesting? how so? i mean if there wasn't risk involved in beef then how the fuck is that interesting. i mean when i see some rugged street beef going, i think it is interesting because it is basically a script for a series of conflicts.

 

you want the thrill of dissing, but you think people shouldn't get angry about it.

 

please for your own sake just admit that your opinion on the matter is completely contradictory.

 

i feel the same as you about fights. i think people who start fights are idiotic. key there is START. and dissing is STARTING a fight.

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16-

 

Dissing another writer, in my kind of confusing mind, shouldn't be taken as an invitation for fighting. It's something that graf writers do to stimulate competition among each other. Like I said before, it's not something I try and get involved in, but I see it as actually being positive and progressive. It encourages writers to outdo each other, which is a good thing.

 

I remember JA talking about the fun he had when he was battling Cope in that Cope video -- that's exactly what I'm talking about. There's really no need to take it any further than the graffiti, and the graffiti is what counts. I'm not gonna give anybody respect for beating the fuck out of someone, but if they rock a city to the fullest, kill a thousand trains with dope pieces or come out on top in a REAL battle they get massive respect. I personally think that's how it should be, even though it isn't and probably never will be.

 

I'm glad you feel the same way as me about STARTING fights, because that's just what I've been getting at.

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Ive gotten infuriated before when I rock some shit that gets my dick hard and then a week later there's some fucken toy ass shit over it.But when I was a youngster in LA and first got into the game it seemed like going over each other was inevitable, and unless it was intentionally to disrespect, it was nothin to sweat over.Now because of the buff I think space and spots are limited so theres more territoriality,but I still think some people get too serious, probably cuz their painting is driven more by wanting fame than anything else, there are some times when someone caps me with some fourth grade shit that I want to dump on someone though

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i must say

 

this is a very good discussion.....bravo.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

Dissing another writer, in my kind of confusing mind, shouldn't be taken as an invitation for fighting. It's something that graf writers do to stimulate competition among each other.

 

your stupid.

 

dissing people is pretty much like slapping them spare the fact your not face to face.

 

going over someone with respect is a whole different story.

 

you make no sense "clever name"

i think your graffitically retarded and

should just abstain alltogether from graffiti neandathral culture, as opposed to making it a nice safe happy ok to diss someone so you can battle culture....you took graffiti out of its context and sided with the property owners....who are you a fucking cop?????

your first post on this thread makes you look STUPID!

diss someone where im at and you could very well end up maced knocked out with you pants pulled down and a fat cap tag on your ass..

get the point??? dont fucking diss people asshole...if you want competition than go fucking take over a city with new spots and landmarks and get up more than your competition...

get with the facts bro...writers are not nice people! in the words of ink lunatic " it takes a special kind of jerk to be a writer"

so im dissing you......GO FUCK YOURSELF BITCH! now lets not fight about this...im just stimulating competition and besides were both just wasting space on a message board so what does it matter that your a WORTHLESS LITTLE DICK MOTHERFUCKING HOE BAG TRYNNA SWING OF JA'S NUTS CAUSE HE BATTLED COPE AND YOU WANT IT UP THE ASS REAL BAD AFTER YOU WENT TO THE HARDWARE STORE WITH YOUR ALLOWENCE AND BOUGHT YOUR PAINT SO YOU CAN GO DISS THE OTHER WRITER UNDER THE OVERPASS IN YOUR BULLSHIT ASS THREE COW TOWN TO STIMULATE COMPETITION.

get with the facts bro.

if you write be prepared to handle your shit. dont diss people and you shouldnt have any problems.

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Glass Etch -

 

Hahah, you've got issues. I've never seen someone get so worked up over some message board shit.

 

you took graffiti out of its context and sided with the property owners....who are you a fucking cop?????

 

I'm not siding with anyone, just pointing something out that I've rarely heard anyone even talk about in all the years I've written.

 

diss someone where im at and you could very well end up maced knocked out with you pants pulled down and a fat cap tag on your ass..

 

Wow, you've scared me to THE CORE and forced me to reevaluate my stance on violence ... things will never be the same in my life. This is a pivotal turning point, really.

 

And I'll have to remind myself not to visit your hardcore neck of the woods for fear of having my "ass tagged."

 

....?

 

I think you might be exactly the type of neanderthal I was talking about. at least 16vandals made sense with his argument and made me think further about it. Your rebuttal packs about as much weight as a dehydrated asian crackwhore.

 

Hit the books harder sonny.

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More shit about the subject

 

Graff and the rest of the world aint really gonna change. People are gonna fight regardless. But hopefully some people can move a step ahead of the masses and leave some of the completely fucking dumb shit behind.

 

If any of you quick-to-jump-in-and-start-a-fight types ever get beaten to the point you can't just recover and go about your life then maybe you'll understand what I'm saying. You think shit is fun and games until you turn fucking blind in one eye, screw up a nerve or accidentally kill someone, then it's real life and no fucking joke anymore ... and you've turned into a sucker. Try living with a broken back ... or a REAL jail sentence over some dumb shit.

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:D :D :D :D :D :king: :king: :king: :king: :king:

 

 

 

all i got to say is there is a claimed spot why bother when you can be the first head to go and destroy some other spot or just wait for some toy to go over some phat piece and then let the man get punished for being an idiot cuz i've seen some kids in va go over some phat pieces from exist and warp and they are some kids with no caps and no type of skill what so ever just like some straight bamma stuff like little 9 or 10 year old kids with their dads paint and decide to go make some trouble and be cool...... thats how it starts.......... owell who cares cuz the true bombers go get theirs when they want and anywhere they want.... but let all the kids out there destroying the "big boys" walls and lets see the beef begin.... i love watching those kids get beet over the head with a can and i remember watching some kid in L.A. get punished by a bat by a tag banger who had some sort of baseball bat or some kind of stick and bust the mans stuff right open......... owell get up and stay up......

 

>>>>>>>nasemonerism<<<<<<<

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Originally posted by Clever Name

Glass Etch -

 

Hahah, you've got issues. I've never seen someone get so worked up over some message board shit.

 

that was the splitting hangover being vented...

Your rebuttal packs about as much weight as a dehydrated asian crackwhore. [/b]

 

please see my original replys

 

Hit the books harder sonny. [/b]

 

me hit the books??? by books what do you mean....over the last ten years im yet to have one graffiti related violent incident...actually we dissolved a crew that was all city because the fool that started it wanted to do serious body damage over unsuitable beef.....

your the moron who needs 2 pages of schooling on graffiti related violence....the point is simple fuckhead...if you dont want violence or to be at risk for violence then dont fuck with other peoples shit. i dont see how you dont understand this.

writers here are cool. no need to diss them for competition...thats fucking stupid!!! thats how you get a broken jaw and a tagged ass...needless to say the flick of that shit was hillarious.

 

violence sucks as i have lost several friends to it....but hey its part of the game...keep in mind graffiti is very illegal here and the people that are good at it are therefore criminals. criminals tend to be kinda violent sometimes. violence sucks. get the fucking point though...its a violent fucking world. if you dont want violence dont provoke it...it works for me.

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Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH

 

your the moron who needs 2 pages of schooling on graffiti related violence....the point is simple fuckhead...if you dont want violence or to be at risk for violence then dont fuck with other peoples shit. i dont see how you dont understand this.

 

 

hahaha...dude...since when did clever say he runs around going over people?this whole thing started off with him saying how he doesn't get heated when he gets gone over...but rather he sees it as a motivation..you just took it out of context...you dont even know clever but you're quick to judge...very funny...everyone here is missing the point and turning the turrets at clever...you should reread this whole thing.

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the other cool thing about writing is that its pretty anonymous...so if you go over someone and they trace it back to you in person its more or less your fault cause who you tell you write is your responsibility...so if your boy got capped then by all means go over them...and hey, if they catch up with you they catch up with you...but if you know for a fact that he has a gun and likes to shoot at people that go over him maybe you should just let it slide.

my personal advice for self defense is a big can of mace and a stun gun.

people have a hard time being violent when they are blind, having trouble breathing and groggily regaining conciousness after being blacked out for sixty seconds. not to mention said means of self defense are legal.

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Originally posted by Wilt

 

hahaha...dude...since when did clever say he runs around going over people?this whole thing started off with him saying how he doesn't get heated when he gets gone over...but rather he sees it as a motivation..you just took it out of context...you dont even know clever but you're quick to judge...very funny...everyone here is missing the point and turning the turrets at clever...you should reread this whole thing.

 

no, i shouldnt reread the whole thing...i never go over fillins or throws when crushing and if i go over other peoples at peicing spots it has to get burned...simple values that i was taught when i started painting ten years ago...nothing personal against clever name besides the fact that this thread is stupid. im also known to be abbraisive and have a bad attitude but im yet to get my ass beat allthough i have dissed several people. I dont understand why he limits his perspective on violence to graffiti. violence sucks..ever been to a jock bar?? theres people who are violent in every context. same with graffiti, some people are violent some arent...you ever read interviews with all the old cats from nyc about what it was like to paint back then?? you go into the wrong shit and you get beat and all your gear pulled. my crew used to get dissed with death threats all the time and my boy got jumped for simply getting up. violent people are everywhere, maybe clever name should just develop fool proof strategys of dealing with them.

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Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH

 

if you dont want violence dont provoke it...it works for me.

 

Dude I will stress this one - more - time in the interest of stopping you from wasting your breath:

 

I AM NOT INTERESTED IN FUCKING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S GRAF. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE STUPIDITY OF STARTING FIGHTS OVER GRAFFITI, NOT HOW TO AVOID BEEF.

 

I dont understand why he limits his perspective on violence to graffiti

 

Who said I did? This is Third Rail: graffiti-related topics.

 

Another thing I notice is people mentioning the old-school a lot in the effort of modeling modern times after those. Who's to say the old-school guys were making the right decisions? They lived that way cause that's how shit was, it doesn't make it right, it just makes it reality.

 

I'm not judging the "old ways," they were here before me and will probably be recycled for years to come, I'm just questioning the mentality. People used to trade slaves and think the earth was flat too.

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Hicktown muddafukkas...... You pussies might want to battle if somebody disses you or just forget about it...but next time you are in MY city and decide to diss MY shit, you better think about the jail time I risked by rocking tha fill-in or even that tag because believe that when I catch you out there you need to throw up your hands because I am definitely going to set it. And that is the same feelings of all the writers that live here. Graff can be a violent sport. If you dont like it...

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Originally posted by dirtysicks

If you dont fight all your shits getting taken out and I will abuse and rob you on site EVERYTIME>!

 

Then I'll figure out your name, press charges, and count the dividends while you enjoy the ass-pounding from your new cellmate. Sucker.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

You call me a moron again and I'll kick your fucking ass.

 

is that a joke ? if it's not, you're a hypocrit man.. :rolleyes:

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No its not a joke, and yes I am a hypocrite. In fact, I take back this entire post. Fuck all of you. I'll kick all of your asses and put in a request for seconds. Then I'll kick my own ass to prove I'm not selective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who wants it?

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man ill tell you what...in the end its all silly. ive beatin fools with bottles, lit houses on fire and landed in jail for "beef". it totally proves nothing. it really takes alot these days for me to "set it off". its dumb how crazy and irate ive acted in the past over a tag or someone shit talking...its not worth jail time or the guilt you feel knocking someone into a coma over something you totally forget about 6months later....half the beef i have had when it comes to boxing time i forget what the hell its about and just that i gotta take this kid out before he gets me(unless its old rivelery that will not be forgotten) bottom line for me it always seems is RESPECT. its what you fight for and always wanna have or get....

this above comment only pertains to graf related conflicts... when it comes to family and loved ones its hard to concider conciquence and others pain....

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