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Clever Name

Fighting and getting heated after getting gone over..

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these rules are general..and there will always be drama...prepare for it..fuck the nice guy shit...competition keeps you on your toes..

And I take my spots back whenever needed..

 

Going over each other isn't the pathetically ignorant thing, it even makes for some interesting activity (battles and what not) and seperates graf from other types of art, but actually getting physical and trying to fuck someone up over this is further down the human intelligence ladder than a fucking primate. I wonder if cavemen tried to beat each other up over rock scribbles? Probably...

 

Now that I think of it, I might not even fight back if some dipshit were to pick a fight with me over graf, I'd rather just laugh at the dumb fuck while he pounded my bloody face in like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

 

Well, maybe not.

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i just got gone over a few days ago. someone went over a piece i did with the beggining of a outline, then just stoped on the 1st letter. then they went over to another part of the tunnel and went over another persons piece with the same thing cept he did the whole piece over it instead of just an outline like over mine. Since I read this thread, I didn't get all pissed off but damn... thats pretty wack. My shit wasn't even up for 3 weeks before I got shit written over it. I feel like goin and trying to touch it back up where the foo went over my shit. Pisses me off anyways, but I didn't do anything back to the guys shit. I feel like doing a little ouline over his shit now, then stopping all together. Hey... he did it first. bah..... :confused:

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wow. everyone who's posted on this thread has a totally different understanding about going over ppls that everyone else - but I don't think that was the question... Clever, I think that getting mad about someone going over you is the same as getting pissed off about the original graff as the owner of the property...um not quite, because usually, if the property is public, or it belongs to the government, then it does not carry any personal value with it to the owner (being that there is no one specific owner). When it comes down to it, if someone takes a minute to put an ugly throw up over a nice piece that took me hours to do, I'm going to take that as a personal affront, because the person who does this is disrespecting me. SO, to sum up - I don't agree with you Clever, even though I do think most graffiti beef is WACK and unnecessary.

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If someone goes over me, and doesnt do it properly, I will immediately think they want to fight...This game is all about respect, and if you cant fight, you shouldnt write...I agree 100% that competition keeps you on your toes, and only the strong survive...You might not need to fight in Hunky Dory, Midwest America, but if you cant in LA or NYC, or any big city for that matter, your surroundings can eat you up...I know this from experience, and Ill admit I deserved it every time...In major cities where competition is fierce its impossible for everyone to get along, its unrealistic...

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ive killed before, and ill do it again...

 

:D

 

i think fighting over graff is dumb, in most circumstances...

 

as far as going over people:

 

if someone spends time doing a piece and you cap it with a tag or a throw even its disrespectful... period. and its just plain stupid.

 

if you attempt to go over them with a piece and your shit isnt better, well you tried... i wouldnt be that mad, unless it was like a day or so after i did my piece, let mines run a bit...then you can go over it, however, if there is something shittier than mines up next to me, i would go over that before the better piece...

 

i understand in places like NYC shit could get more complicated alot faster, but even then, if you go over someone, like alot of them do, i think thats dumb depending on tha spot... and there is tons of spots out there, in any city... its just those other spots take alot more balls to hit...

 

anyways... i dont gotta worry about that much where im at...

 

teaser

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Guest drip one

what you need to realize is just like any other profession, you have the nice people and the fighters. noone is in the wrong. its something you have to deal with. it will never fade. at one time graff was mostly gang related. just remember, a good amount of writers only have graff going for them. so it stays close to the heart. not everyone has a perfect life and if you want to keep yours think twice before you act. some people are waiting to get gone over to have a reason to fight. so watch yourself. lifes not a big joke.

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Originally posted by drip one

some people are waiting to get gone over to have a reason to fight.

 

Begby from Trainspotting has infiltrated graffiti in the form of ignorant jocks. Since day 1...

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i think it all depends on the situation. it all comes down to whether the person was trying to disrespect you or just have a spot to paint. for example, going over someone's freight pieces is blatantly disrespectful, because unless every car in the spot has an e2e on both sides, you can find a panel to paint without going over someone. so if somebody goes over one of my freights, hell yes i'm going to beat them down. if it's a legal wall or a piecing spot, often you have to go over someone to paint so i don't see how that's a big deal.

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find new spots instead of hearing about the popular spots and you wont have to go over people. and if you do go over someone, better burn them. people dont put up with that dead letter over a piece crap

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haha...i think it's super dumb to get mad when people go over your piece on a legal or a chill spot..because its your fault if you didn't flick it.HOWEVER,i also think its dumb to get mad if people diss the spots you get over on...because if you're hitting hard enough..a few spots doesn't matter..and fighting over it is dumber...i would love to have a friendly battle on the streets..something to remember...fighting is dumb on any level.and as far as the owner aggravation aspect...NO most of the spots you bomb are not government..its a healthy mix..but who cares..its about destruction anyways...so yeah.

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If your shit is titer then I think its alright. But if you did a piece or a nice bomb and someone tagged over you with some weak ass shit that pisses me off and I know if I caught um I would smak um. Some of these kids out there don't respect and I think a good ass kickin is what it will take to teach um a good lesson. just my opinion anyway.

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I think quite a lot of people are missing the point of the question. Read it people...

 

Going over someone else's graf is the EXACT equivalent of that piece of property being hit in the first place, only when this happens it's the writers who are turning into the concerned citizens and getting all 'up in arms' over graf being done. Where's the logic here?

 

 

You honestly sound like a cop. Or a compleate toy who has no passion about writing. The logic is that there are certain rules in this game. when another writer dogs you of course you are going to get heated. The property does not matter you moron, we are all breaking the law in the first place, but there is still a code to follow in our game.

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Originally posted by SKUMBALUCKAH

The property does not matter you moron, we are all breaking the law in the first place, but there is still a code to follow in our game.

 

You call me a moron again and I'll kick your fucking ass.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

You call me a moron again and I'll kick your fucking ass.

 

my god that's neanderthal talk... maybe even australopithecus robustus!

 

fighting over graf is bad but fighting over a challenge to your intellectual prowess isn't?

 

even if that's a joke, I'm still going to say it...

 

moron.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

You call me a moron again and I'll kick your fucking ass.

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MORON!!!

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here is my take:

 

when bombing i risk:

 

A) getting busted

B) violence from random people in the street

 

if someone goes over my shit then they are getting beat. i dont understand what the fuck your point is saying that people shouldn't fight over graff, but you want the priveledge of dissing withough consequences?

 

I get what you mean, you are trying to say that vandalism to graffiti weighs equal to vandalism to property.

 

here is why you are wrong:

 

1) i am sure MOST property owners would use violence to protect thier property, so in that light, violence as a protective method for property is mutual to that of proctecting graff from dissing.

 

2) Property is protected by the law. that is the policing method. in graffiti the only method of policing work is violence. its not like i can summons you to court cause you dissed me.

 

some people are serious about graff and they will defend thier work. some people "mess around" and "had fun" doing graffiti (usually in shitty chill spots that get painted over and over). those types probably don't care if they get gone over.

 

basically you shouldn't write if you think you can go over people and not get beat.

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in SF you never know whos hacking you because everyones a bitch and never leaves their fuckin names....you just see a buncha black lines through tags....its fuckin bullshit

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Originally posted by sixteenvandals

here is why you are wrong:

 

1) i am sure MOST property owners would use violence to protect thier property, so in that light, violence as a protective method for property is mutual to that of proctecting graff from dissing.

 

The guy who killed Tie was only "protecting his property," do you think what he did was OK?

 

The "kick your ass" comment was sarcastic.

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Just to set the record straight on this thread, let me sum up my views:

 

All I wanted to do with this discussion was point out how stupid fighting over graffiti is. There's a certain level of hypocrisy associated with disrespecting something and then expecting your "disrespect" to be respected. I understand why people fight and get pissed off, but I still think it's stupid. I personally made the decision to not let my emotions turn me into a jock when it comes to graf along time ago. Jocks get pissed and beat each other up, writers beat up the system.

 

Also, just because someone chooses to get kinda ill and fight people over some graf shit doesn't mean they can't paint or shouldn't get the respect they've earned after putting in a bunch of hardcore work (i.e. kerse from that other thread in the bench). Fighting over graf is fucking stupid but some knuckleheads are just dope regardless, I'm nobody to hold it against them. Doesn't mean I agree with the fighting shit, but the way I see it that's a seperate issue.

 

16vandals said I shouldn't write if I think I can go over people and not get beat. I must be making myself seem like a fucking hippy. I don't go over anyone elses stuff unless there's a legitimate reason, so that matter isn't too important to me, but if somebody did approach me on some beef shit because I dissed them or whatever, I sure as hell AM NOT gonna try and lecture them on my anal and complex views about non-violence, I'm sure they could fucking care less. The only thing I'm gonna do in that situation is defend myself from bodily harm, which probably means fighting. Whatever.

 

I guess that's it.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

 

The guy who killed Tie was only "protecting his property," do you think what he did was OK?

 

The "kick your ass" comment was sarcastic.

 

A) Don't talk to me that way about what happened to tie. If i knew who you were i would fight you just for that careless comment. if thats "neaderthal" of me, we'll honestly i think it's pretty fucking primative of you to compare my opinion on getting in a fight to shooting an 18 year old in the head, and making implications that i advocate what happened to tie.

 

all i was saying is this. YOU basically said that since we vandalize property, then our pieces deserve to get dissed too. I said that vandalizing property comes with potential physical consequences, therefor the similarity between the two WOULD in fact lead to physical reprocussion.

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Originally posted by Clever Name

Just to set the record straight on this thread, let me sum up my views:

 

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16vandals said I shouldn't write if I think I can go over people and not get beat. I must be making myself seem like a fucking hippy. I don't go over anyone elses stuff unless there's a legitimate reason, so that matter isn't too important to me, but if somebody did approach me on some beef shit because I dissed them or whatever, I sure as hell AM NOT gonna try and lecture them on my anal and complex views about non-violence, I'm sure they could fucking care less. The only thing I'm gonna do in that situation is defend myself from bodily harm, which probably means fighting. Whatever.

 

I guess that's it.

 

 

so basically your opinion on the matter is completely pointless, because you will fight over beef, and you will diss people. it should say "i would rather not fight over graff, but i will"

 

you will find this is MOST peoples stance.

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Originally posted by sixteenvandals

 

A) Don't talk to me that way about what happened to tie. If i knew who you were i would fight you just for that careless comment. if thats "neaderthal" of me, we'll honestly i think it's pretty fucking primative of you to compare my opinion on getting in a fight to shooting an 18 year old in the head, and making implications that i advocate what happened to tie.

 

 

Sorry for striking a nerve about what happened to Tie, but I could think of no better circumstance than what happened to him to hammer home my point about what you said. No offense meant by it, Tie is a legend who was pointlessly killed ... just like a lot of writers get into pointlessly violent beef that goes nowhere.

 

 

all i was saying is this. YOU basically said that since we vandalize property, then our pieces deserve to get dissed too. I said that vandalizing property comes with potential physical consequences, therefor the similarity between the two WOULD in fact lead to physical reprocussion.

 

My question to you is do you think either of these things are right? If you think the guy that shot Tie was in the right for defending his property then by the same token you're defending writers who start shit with other writers for dissing them. Both are "protecting their property," as you put it.

 

I didn't write that anyone "deserves to be dissed," I just wrote that it's fairly hypocritical for a writer to instantly EXPECT his/her shit to be respected. Personally, when I do a spot or a piece or whatever I immediately adopt the mentality that this shit is not exclusive to me -- it's temporary and the longer it runs the better -- but it's temporary nonetheless, so as long as I get my flik it doesn't bother me when shit I do gets dissed, buffed, gone over, etc... Its just a fact of writing. "Rules of the game" may state that I should react differently but I think a lot of the rules are fucking stupid, and tradition is the enemy of progress.

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Originally posted by sixteenvandals

so basically your opinion on the matter is completely pointless, because you will fight over beef, and you will diss people. it should say "i would rather not fight over graff, but i will"

 

you will find this is MOST peoples stance.

 

Yes it is most people's stance, but this thread wasn't directed at "most people," it was directed at the few who are acting like cavemen and beating their hairy chests to the tune of graf beef. And yes I will fight over graf if I have to -- "have to" being an instance where I can either take a fucking beating or I can defend myself.

 

"I would rather not fight over graf but I will" might actually have been a better title for this thread, but it would be leaving out the part about how I think the fighting is stupid, which is what I've been trying to convey. Let's put it this way; I think a lot of taxes I pay are stupid, but I pay them anyway because I have to.

 

In that other post where I mentioned the fight club shit I was clowning around, of course I'd defend myself. I also said that dissing and going over each other and shit like that is a part of graf that I think makes it interesting. Fighting about it, on the other hand, is taking it a step too far, and since most overly-macho-aggressive-tough-guy writers associate dissing with physical violence, I typically make the choice not to go over people, but I will if it comes down to someone singling me or a friend of mine out for no real reason. Still doesn't mean I wanna fight, but it goes along the lines of defending myself. Hopefully you see my overly-complex point.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick or dispute what you're saying for the sheer sake of argument, this is just how I feel about the subject.

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sigghhh....

 

If you go over someone YOU BETTER BURN Whatever it is you went over whether old or new,tither and hither,to and fro,near or yonder.

 

The basic rules of graff:

pieces over throws,throws over tags.

 

I disagree on how you generalize anyone who is willing to fight over what they live as "barbaric".

To some folks mind you, graffiti is not some

weekend hobby. It IS a lifestyle.

 

There are some people who have

dedicated and injected their entire being in to this sometimes unforgiving culture.

Thus which leads me to believe you have gone

over, thought of going over someone prominent and or are now confronted with repercussions and questions.

Alas, lack of respect.

 

With the comment "Blah,Blah,Blah I've painted in

some pretty fucked up ghettos."

Hints a total lack of respect to the underprivleged

neighborhoods you're fucking up, Which also hint's that you reside waaay on the right hand side of the socio-economic ladder.That's fine(the socioeconomic part), but have some respect for people who can't make it in life in which neighborhoods you are writing upon.

 

Now my thing. I'm a pretty chill cat and I respect

everyone.I'm down to kick it and have an intelectual conversation like Einstien and Freud, But when you spray some shit throwup

on my 35 ft burner, Noahh. The situation is no longer kibbles and bits, my friend.

 

I'm old school and have learned from wise upbringings and PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENTS. I'm not gonna' run around crossing

your shit out like a 13 year old.Noahh.

 

I'm going to approach you like a man and listen

while you try to justify and vindicate your reasons for putting a shitty throw on my 35 ft. burner and

how fighting is for "dumb" people.

 

If I smell fear on you, I shall smack you and watch you look stunned and embarassed.

Now This is the funny part when the offender

think's to himself why this neanderthal can't reason with logic and why he continues to strike me.

 

This is in actuality is the first of a series of "expirements" performed by the "strikee" to

expose canine levels. A few more strikes, a few

more points on the canine meter. All is well

one party leaves laughing the other nursing

a shattered ego, blistered cheeks and "Gee, I

don't think I'll be going over that fellow again."

 

On the other hand,

If you happen to "defend yourself" from

punishment, prepare for a swift premeditated plethora of cheap

tricks and dastardly fighting-a-gorilla-in-a-phonebooth-type-shit. to make sure

your day of reckoning is unavoidable.

 

After your sudden retirement from part-time graffing and are slowly but surely

recovering from a compound-fractured jaw,black eyes and

a cereberal hematoma I would love to have a intelligent chat

on how we were both wrong and perhaps we could

all sit down to hot cup of Ovaltine.

 

Just respect where respect is due and you shan't

be plagued with the above nonsense.

 

Have a great Day!

 

 

 

 

 

 

:)

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