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anyone else read this?

 

if you havent, its highly suggested.

 

written by michael moore, the guy who did 'roger and me'...

all about how bush stole the presidency, and other governmental nonsense and chikanery.

 

patrick, this one has your name all over it.

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Guest fr8lover

saw him on the daily show last night talking about how bush rode the enron jet to all the campaign stops...pretty interesting.

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yeah, that was hot. you catch the part where he 'hired' kenneth lay to oversee his nominations for his energy cabinet? the same people who would ultimitly be enron's 'over see'r'? thats a hot one

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i think i just got hired at a hotass job, with goodass looking women in suits. not worthy of starting a new thread, but figured id tell you anyways. im excited are you? nah didnt thinks so

 

"good luck iCEBERG, you a pimp you know that right?"

 

i know i know, thanks for your time, and im out.

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i think everybody knows that gore probably won the election , but what does it matter the gov't gonna screw the public anyway....

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yeah seeking, its funny that he used to call the guy "kenny boy" but if you watch press conferences now he refers to him as "mr lay." the guy basically made bush a puppet by shoving money up his ass and sending him out into the nation, and now bush has no choice but to deny even having a relationship with him. once enron got bush into office, they knew that any problems they had would be bailed out by gw. sure enough, hes sweetalking whole COUNTRIES (india...etc) to lay off this unethical bohemiath of a company...dude had it made in the shade. even when they were having trouble, they kept in contact with the white house even more sending out cries for help. its so funny that this is completely blown over, where clintons sex scandal was the news of the decade. hypocrisy...

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I caught him on the rerun of the Daily Show today... talking about how Bush is totally denying ever even knowing Ken Lay, but how a couple of years ago Bush flew to a baseball game just to see Ken throw out the first ball.

 

Bush, and especially Cheney, have gotten some nasty Enron funk all over them.

 

-9

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enron/bush/taliban

 

all have business ties

enron was making deals with bin laden before 9/11

bin laden family floated money to George w. for his first oil company

bush wins presidency, trade center blows up, enron goes down

how could it not be all linked together

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Guest BROWNer

michael moore is a good guy.

i think the nytimes or something referred to lay

sometime after bush's inauguration as the bush

administrations "shadow advisor".

and they claim they didn't know anything.

bush...what a puke face.

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Originally posted by 9ign

Bush, and especially Cheney, have gotten some nasty Enron funk all over them.

 

-9

 

thats extremely funny, seeing as how clinton was the one that financed enron for eight years.

 

bush sr: approved ONLY ONE of enrons proposals requiring government grants.

 

clinton: approved NINETEEN out of TWENTY of enrons proposals, including the butched fiasco in india, bankrupting 5 of indias top banks.

those same 5 banks are 3 BILLION in the hole, enron spent not ONE dime, and collected on grants to cover their ass in case things didnt work out.

 

bush jr: approved zero grants for enron. enron goes belly up.

 

enron gave money to everyone, democrats and republicans alike.

ken lay was invited by clinton to spend the night in the lincoln room, and the next morning stroked a check for 100,000 dollars.

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i have mixed feeling about ole billy boy, but choz has a point:

 

Clinton helped Enron finance projects abroad

By Patrice Hill

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

 

 

The Clinton administration provided more than $1 billion in subsidized loans to Enron Corp. projects overseas at a time when Enron was contributing nearly $2 million to Democratic causes.

 

Clinton officials refused to finance only one out of 20 projects proposed by the energy company between 1993 and 2000 to build power plants, natural-gas pipelines and other big-ticket energy facilities around the world, according to the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corp., the agencies that provided the subsidies.

In addition, the administration, which lauded Chairman Kenneth L. Lay as an exemplary "corporate citizen," granted about $200 million worth of insurance against political risks for nine Enron projects in such politically volatile areas as Argentina, Venezuela and the Gaza Strip, according to documents the agencies provided to the Senate Finance Committee.

"These projects obviously were a tremendous benefit to Enron's operations," said Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican and ranking minority member of the committee. He noted that the Reagan and Bush administrations approved no loans for Enron between 1985 and 1992 and provided insurance for only one Enron power project in Guatemala in 1992.

The Clinton administration provided three loans between 1994 and 1998 to the now-defunct Dabhol power project in India. Mr. Clinton's commerce secretary, Ron Brown, trumpeted the approval of the Dabhol loans on a trade mission to India in 1995, with Mr. Lay by his side.

The trip was one of 11 Clinton trade missions provided at taxpayer expense for corporate executives from Enron and other companies. The U.S. Trade and Development Agency, which sponsored the trips, also provided $1 million in funding to study Enron energy projects in Russia, Eastern Europe and former Soviet states.

As congressional committees dig for evidence to tie Enron and Mr. Lay to the Bush administration, evidence of Mr. Lay's links to the Clinton administration are ample and well-documented.

Mr. Lay at times was Mr. Clinton's golf partner and slept in the Lincoln Bedroom. Other top Enron officials attended the White House's infamous "coffee klatches" with Mr. Clinton, according to published reports.

Mr. Lay offered a seat on Enron's board of directors to Robert E. Rubin, Mr. Clinton's Treasury secretary, in 1999 just before he left government, the Associated Press reported yesterday. Mr. Rubin tried to get Treasury to intervene on behalf of Enron last fall when the company credit rating was threatened.

In May 1996, Mr. Clinton lauded Mr. Lay as a good "corporate citizen" at a White House event because of Enron's enlightened personnel policies, including profit-sharing of Enron stock and generous health and pension benefits. Enron employees now are suing because those benefits are as worthless as the bankrupt company's stock.

During the Clinton years, Enron contributed more than $1 million to the Democratic Party, including $600,000 to the Democatic National Committee, according to Federal Election Commission records. Mr. Clinton and Vice President Al Gore received contributions of $11,000 and $13,750, respectively, for their presidential campaigns.

One $100,000 contribution to the DNC was provided before India gave final approval to Enron's Dabhol project in June 1996. The largest and most expensive capital project ever undertaken in India, Dabhol was of dubious economic value and never went on line.

The World Bank, on reviewing the project, said it was not economically viable and inordinately benefited Enron, which was a 65 percent owner. Enron still owes $203 million on an Export-Import Bank loan for the project, which the bank says is covered by guarantees provided by five Indian banks.

Congressional aides said it is not clear what the taxpayers' liability will be for that and other loans now that Enron is bankrupt. The Export-Import Bank said its loans were extended to overseas subsidiaries of Enron and not the bankrupt corporation. The overseas investment agency said its exposure is limited to paying any missed premiums on Enron's political risk insurance.

Top Clinton officials lobbied personally to obtain Indian state guarantees for the Dabhol project after it encountered early problems in 1995. Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty, the White House chief of staff, made it a top administration priority to keep the project from failing. The Bush administration has continued efforts to salvage the project.

Clinton Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary led a succession of missions to India, and Mr. Clinton's ambassador to India, Frank Wisner, was charged with keeping the project afloat. After Mr. Wisner left government in 1997, he took a seat on the board of directors of a company then controlled by Enron. Mr. McLarty also performed work for Enron after leaving the administration.

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Originally posted by seeking innocence

yeah, but clinton sucks too.

 

 

thats the whole point, everyone sucks...

 

except me.

and maybe you.....and some of the other people on this board..:D

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Originally posted by mental invalid

...actually seeks, its monica who sucks.....

 

 

(recorded studio laugh):lol:

 

thank you thank you, ill be here through the end of march folks

 

only the end of march???

 

you going somewhere?

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Has anyone seen the TV special where Michael Moore runs a "potted plant" for office in New Jersey (I think it was for congress)?

It's fucking hilarious, he gets up on a stage and sets the plant down in front of a mic to present a speech and field questions. It just sits there. Hahaha.

I remember him saying the plant actually received a considerable amount of votes.

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damn, this is odd, i was just about to start a thread about the show he had on 6 or 7 years ago....TV Nation....i swear that was the funniest show ever....a troupe of homosexual cheerleaders dancing in front of the home of Jesse Helms....genius

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micheal moore is a godamned genius.

 

i flipped through the book today, it looked super good, but i was at a store that i wouldn't rack... guess i gotta make the trip to b&n....

 

all politicians are fucking weasels, and every rich motherfucker is only looking to get richer, it's a vicious cycle that leaves us all assed out in the end.

 

that's why we all need to read mr. moore's books, cuz he makes it obvious to everyone how fucked big buisness/politics are.

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boogie, you can get them all on dvd now. i havent gotten them yet, but im on it. if you dont want to buy them, i bet you can rent them from an 'alternative' video sort of spot

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Guest professor poopatronic

what section of a bookstore would it be in?

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none of the chain stores I was in seemed to have it, I'll have to hit the lefty book shop and pick up a copy. He was great on the daily show...good enough to get me intrested in the book anyways.

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