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Elena Delle Donne

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  1. dawg tesladeaths is a spreadsheet. you're too mad at a URL to even open it, so i get that you don't know what's there. but i think you'd find some worrying stuff that you should know about because you like them so much.  

     

    it can be the "most advanced" autonomous driving software out there. i work in marketing, i lie about things like this for a living and know how it goes. at best their autopilot is level 2! it isn't good, or ready for public use, and has been rushed to production to get another headline, sustain the stock price, and juice elon's personal wealth.

     

    you're having a very hard time with the concept that a tesla product can be bad. sad! 

  2. you should read tesladeaths before calling it biased, i think. no editorializing. it's:

     

    - incident

    - victims (deaths and injuries)

    - link to news coverage

     

    we're not arguing over whether EVs have fewer fires (they do). it's that tesla owners are uniquely situated to be barbecued alive in their cool tech car because they're basically designed this way because they're bad products. 

     

    autopilot is also a uniquely bad product that was released before it was remotely viable because teslas are bad products. it, too, has killed people and will kill again. no other carmaker has released a product like this, and overpromised this much. 

     

    you can keep pointing out all cars are bad. teslas are worse in these specific ways. 

  3. 32 minutes ago, Mercer said:

    With that said if given a choice, I'd 100% want this aesthetically pleasing hidden emergency push button option, over the same door systems used by non-luxury legacy vehicles, or some bright orange handle that say's "emergency release" on it.

     

    no no you're right. the genius is designing a door that requires two handles, one of which requires electric power and one of which is hidden. this is an improvement and is very smart.  

  4. 5 hours ago, Mercer said:

     

    The reason the button is hidden is because they're so expensive, not because they're trying to dave money. The cars are designed to look as plain as possible from the exterior, the aesthetic that sets these vehicles apart from other vehicles is the interior. Thinking logically here, who wants a large, noticeable emergency door release handle that will most likely never be used, throwing off their interior vibes.

     

    Also, you're doing the same thing here with autopilot, that you did with battery fire. Ignoring how unsafe human operators are is like ignoring gasoline fires. Your criticism is that autopilot isn't 100% perfect, but you don't hold operated cars to that same standard.

     

    At the risk of sounding kinda harsh, it's probably a good thing Darwin is weeding out anyone who uses autopilot, or even just lane keep assist in other vehicles that doesn't pay attention, as long as it's just the vehicle in question that's smashing into walls. I personally don't use the autopilot feature myself, not because of safety concerns, I just really enjoy driving around in a torque monster.

     

    Fact is, Tesla has the most advanced autopilot feature available right now. There isn't another manufacturer that even comes close to it's capabilities, and nobody's system will ever be perfect. The goal isn't a delusional quest for absolute perfection. It's making advancements in safety which they've achieved. Statistically speaking you're much safer with autopilot engaged, and both hands on the wheel paying attention, than human operated only. For every autopilot mistake, there's far more times the advanced features prevent accidents and the statistics show it.

     

    this is extra embarrassing because you have a design background. if your design hides a core safety feature, it's a bad design. stupid people also buy every other car and no one else has problems getting out of those cars when they catch fire. it's a bad design. it's not "darwinism" or whatever other kooky shit you come up with. it's just unsuccessful and hasn't killed you yet. 

     

    similarly, if your product is unsafe and drives into walls, it shouldn't be released into the wild. it definitely shouldn't make everyone around them unwilling test subjects. it shouldn't be marketed as "full self driving". 

     

    i actually like the argument that fewer people should drive and agree. most people are very stupid. 

  5. 4 hours ago, Mercer said:

    the manual release shown above, which is a hidden part of the window button assembly.

     

    you're telling me these cars have an MSRP of $50-80,000+ and the manual release door handle is hidden? and the autopilot is okay on the highway but also might drive you into the wall at speed and deactivate seconds before impact so they can blame you? 

     

    humiliating bozo shit. not to mention actively malicious product design. tesla owners are hogs for punishment. they love to overpay for shitty cars that will kill them and elon musk will keep taking their money. 

  6. 14 hours ago, Mercer said:

     

     

    Although it's fun for me playing devils advocate in this thread, I also feel like I need to keep it 100%. Electric cars are a massive scam when it comes to the environment. Not for the people who buy them if they enjoy torque and power, but they're a scam for anyone who thinks they're "zero emissions", or more efficient. Most of the customers seem to think so.

     

    this is exactly right and we'd be doing way more for the environment turning subsidies for EVs into rewilding suburbs or building public transit and/or mass transit. unfortunately this is america 

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  7. On 8/1/2023 at 10:59 PM, Mercer said:

     

    I'm not sure where you got this from? I mean all cars kill their drivers but from my research Teslas are above average in safety.

     

    in just crash test data, teslas are fine. the two kinds of incidents to look at (as detailed on tesladeaths.com) are fires and autopilot deaths. 

     

    lots of accounts from tesla owners (and lawsuits) that their electric doors have locked them in during battery fires. dead people have been found locked inside burning teslas too. when combined with how hard EV fires are to put out — they can take ten times more water and some have reignited six days later — it's bad news if your battery catches unless you can punch your own window out. seems bad but elon is a genius so it's probably good. 

     

    the autopilot deaths are worse. that's clearly a product that wasn't ready for the public yet and is marketed as self driving when it isn't. there are a ton of autopilot deaths. no other carmaker would deploy this... or not recall it. but tesla knows their buyers and fans are sheep so they're keeping it. 

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