Couldn't be arsed readin this whole thread but yeah, no way do I ever want kids of my own. Having said that, my (female) mates daughter just kinda chose me (I was round at hers one night & the nipper just followed me everywhere & ever since then my name only has to be mentioned & her little face lights up. Way I see it, I've got a responsibility to that nipper, she don't know her dad & I'm not trying to be her dad but seeing as she chose me, I'll always be there for her... And I don't even like kids.