the radiologist

...wish I was here with you guys.

My point was, I seen incredible shit from Detroit writers since the early 90's. Our scene was VERY young. Each style from early writers had a taste of other city's in it, but it wasn't a universal taste. No writer completely bit another writer, 90% of early Detroit writers had COMPLETELY opposite styles, but in acquiring them, tried to do so to out-do the ones they saw best. There was absolute style difference every way your head turned. It seemed the talk was about what writers in OUR city was doing, with minimal impact of writers who never touched down here. Well, times change, they touched down here. Hands down, there's more skill & experience coming to our city now that has ever been here. Of course, these new writers have to eat it up to become the best they can be. As an OLDER cat, I pray the scene stays different with a million styles across our scene....like it has because of being in the backburner of how modern graffiti has gotten. I just see how easy it is now for kids to get as good in 2 years now, to where back then it would take a decade with our city's limited resources. I guess....that's my point. I got to see Justo come here with an L.A. style & then years later completely start things L.A. wasn't doing, and impacting Detroit. I got to see Tead come out of nowhere with incredible style BY HIMSELF, no help. Stori.....get the fuck outta here. The kid had a style nobody on earth witnessed, and everyone tried to work to outdo, while he was humble as fuck. Army showed a way to paint streetsides that has never been seen outside our city. Kosek, to kill everything in every aspect of bombing, by focusing how to strategically do it within a 2-year span. I could go on with individual accomplishments. It seemed RAW, it seemed untouched, unaffected by outside forces. It was, and I know you can't live in the past, the present is the present. But, THAT was Detroit style. It was a scene within itself with no outside forces affecting it, even with 12oz popular. Just competition amongst locals, using style evolution vs. style evolution in what they seen in THIS city. And it sure as fuck brought out styles I couldn't match lookin' in other threads on here back then. Now, you could match styles, you see inspiration, you see biting......what you don't see is completely new styles evolving out of THIS city. That was Detroit style. I'm not gonna write another novel noone wants to read. But, I do got to give it up. Give it up so fuckin' hardcore to whoever, as an individual, painted that Jaunt piece. Whatever you're doing in life that salty, "jealous", retired writers not able to paint nowadays like you feel they wish they had the opportunity to right now, in this city..... you showed you deserve respect from Detroit by throwin' up one of our unfortunately passed writers, regardless of what you knew of him or what you knew of the reason that building & neighborhood was so fucked in that whole area for it to last in this fucked up city with no hope for those who live in homes amongst that piece. Thanks. By the way..."the best crew in the world" is merely an opinion from you. Again, I grew up & watched THIS cities writers & crews. And god bless Chaos for his wierd style with no letter structure....but it looks pretty as fuck. I'd take a new Elmer or Stori over that shit anyday. Them two by themselves, in my opinion, would be better than seein' a new Chaos. No diss to Chaos at all, just sayin'. I'd even take 20 shitty Jue extinguishers over 70 Chaos street burners. To each his own. Seriously, love you Detroit writers.

Fuck Jue.

mad fuckin' props to wicked, and abc. Always, always, always on point it seems. Yeah, this thread is full of opinions that noone gives a fuck about hearing, 'cause it won't change their own, yet everyone either painting or not, either made a name for themselves or not, have a fuckin' love that drives them to say something on here......whether they love 12oz........... or fuckin' not. I've gotta throw mine in for what it's not worth. Fuck the fuck out of MSK. They're doing shit proper? Well, let me tell you. Fuckin' free (that noone in detroit can afford) quality paint is fucked with on their side. Thousands of contacts from blackbook sessions from everywhere around the world, years & years of traveling, meeting people with different styles....whatever it fuckin' takes. Yeah, there shit looks nice. Yeah, anyone who painted 10 years+ can completely duplicate that style if they had the willpower to in any given night. They smash. Guaranteed. But can you become a movie star in Detroit as easily as L.A., or N.Y.???? Can you look as pretty coppin' from dollar store paint? If you're from the CITY OF DETROIT......do you really want to feel like graffiti is a traveling, national fuckin' way to overcome poverty.....or if you're into graffiti would you: Like to paint in your city & be happy as fuck you can land a $10 an hour job, 40 a week??? Can you grow up here & become a worldwide sensation no matter how much work you put in? MSK has been blessed to paint amongst hundreds more writers at the time Detroit had 10 street hitters. Progression came from there. Who in Florida knows the name Justo? Keep putting Detroit on the same map as major, flourishing cities, and shit in your cities face pretending it's the same as those others. Sooooo.........Where the fuck do you cut the line where you have pride in your skill where you came up from? I fuckin' hands down give props to writers who knew nothing but what they learned from their city. Seriously, there's just as talented muthafuckas from our own city that are outshined by eye-candy by some big city. It seems they're more talented because of the MEANS they grew up in. We don't have those MEANS......deny we have the talent. Then think....... What's sad is you writers who grew up in the suburbs & didn't endure the hardships of city living, think graffiti is a national thing. Yeah, automotive engineering is a worldwide phenomenon, but it's a fuckin' Detroit thing. Why can't our DETROIT graffiti be compared to DETROIT graffiti???? You muthafuckas who had parents who have pensions from Ford don't want to hear about the quality of Toyota. Whether it's good of bad, where's the fuckin' loyalty & pride??????? That's where "local pride" comes into play. There's no jealously, there's no hatred. There's pride in what you were, and became & grew up to your whole life that revolves around what revolved around YOU....... Good shit our city's hardships from our grandfathers, and fathers daily lives, political illness, riots, that turned into abandoned buildings for out of towners to play & paint on with better means of studying & mastering bullshit letter structure to come here & flaunt the extra privileges they've acquired from where they came from.......... but to expect someone from HERE to think it's fuckin' gold & we should be as good as each & every style that visits here???? How? Get the fuck outta here. Mad props to local writers, what you do, and keeping what you seen & lived in graffiti.......alive. If you don't, and want to be so fuckin' sweet at graffiti.....check the L.A. thread, then paint like them......and completely wipe out your city's history....dick ride, and make their city's history yours from copying & envying. 5 years from now there will be 3 threads on 12 oz. #1......cities who dickrode & jocked L.A. or N.Y. since the internet. #2......new writers who dickride & refuse to become a part of their city's history. #3......established, skilled, veteran writers who try to discount local writers trying to keep their city's history alive. <<<which noone will be a part of. Pride of who you are & where you come from is now called jealousy thanks to 12oz. Good luck, fuckers. Have fun.

hahahahahahaha. You muthafuckas is too wild up in here. Any hood writer who don't know graffiti on the internet, if there's any even out there. That should be the hardest envy anyone should feel towards anyone.

You can't find any of them shits unless you hit nature trails up on 57 mile rd. You got everyone hating you but you just keep going, and going. If you want beef come see me. You know what nature trail I be on. You fuck with any of my colorado spruce hands I'm gonna smack the fresh air out your mouth. Guaranteed it'll be one on one shit. I won't have any of my people be at the spot 50 yds away with their Easton superlite carbon bows w/ deep six steel field tipped arrows. I'll even have this bear I know ref that shit, he's completely unbiased towards humans. We could make it a day. I'll beat your ass then we can all drink some hunch-punch and chew venison jerkey, and I'll make it work around Michigan Outdoors on sunday morning so noone misses their visit to Iosco county for pheasant season.

Bump the Stori interview. Well deserved, and definitely a guy who has a huge place etched in out city's history books.

Said it before, say it again......Aires throw, fuckin' slicker than an oil spill. Straight up causes envy.

Tom, I got a stack on Juedahfi, plus I'll match that 20 on the one hitter quitter. When I saw homie as wasted as anyone could get, and blasted a wall at a bar with some Tyson follow through just to let to the crowd know he's eastside up in this bitch.... I knew then I'd have to bet against any opposing face that would end up feeling that type of retarted rage. Plus he looks a little retarted. That Corky strength is foreal foreal.

...seriously, at least Jue is real. You muthafuckas really have no idea, years later his satisfaction will be greater than yours.

Yo, fuck DSD. That nigga just mad because he can't walk into a city & have 20 nut riding toys begging him to do 10 legal walls lined up. That muthafucka is mad he ain't sponsored by paint companies that make your pieces more skilled than you are.....shit similar to playing poker with some fucks in a room full of mirrors except behind you. Fuck his hatin' ass wanting to keep his city his city & what the scene was based off being. But more importantly, fuck Jue, and the rest of the writers able to have shit on MSK months & months ago but never have until a couple spots just recently. If I was able to paint, all you cats who knew me back then know damn well there wouldn't even be MSK pictures to post a day later that were ever painted. And fuck wickedwacko for never letting me prop him needin' to spread around rep more. I don't even know who homie is, but the shit he says on here is comforting.

fuck NY.

By the way, top 2 for a while, Aires & Mince.

This game is all opinion. Pak having one of the nicest throws in the city? Nah.....I dig his throw like crazy, it has the essence of Detroit old school, absolutely love it, but I'd count 10 writers in a heartbeat havin' a nicer lookin' throw. Jue alone. Even if I didn't know that homo.....I'd say lately.....lately, hands down the most proper this year. Real talk. Homie is so booty, but that throw should have alot of cats playin' catch up.

ALL I GOTTA SAY...MAKIN' IT QUICK. Y'ALL NIGGAS ON SOME $100 MILLION MORE PAYROLL & CAN'T GET IT DONE. Y'ALL NIGGAS GOT GRAF CATS FLOCKIN' TO YOUR CITY, NOW THEY FLOCKIN' TO DETROIT. GET OFF DETROIT'S NUTS. WE GOT IT, HAD IT, KEPT IT. Y'ALL LOST THAT NY SWAG IN THE 90'S. NY....JUST THOSE INITIALS, IS WHAT'S KEEPIN' YOU FALSELY RELEVANT. DETROIT, MURDER CAPITOL. FUCK NY.

Yo, Sarcasm. Tell Kym Worthy I said what's up, playa.

Damn...been a month & I felt the need to set this thread straight. Unfortunately for me, DSD's got this bitch on lock. Sarcasm hooks it up. His dickriding abilities makes me now view the LA thread & Detroit thread all in one. Good lookin' girly, if you need anybody to nut in your eye on those flickr posts....my dick's hard & ready to shoot.

^^^^Yessir. Bump IGES. Killin' that wall. Best letter structure on a sintex I seen for what it's worth.

I got first dibs in calling out Sarcasm as a bitch like 2 fuckin' years ago, while everybody else was accepting him because he posted pictures. I fuckin' told you muthafuckas this thread wasn't about shit, yet it calls me on a weekly to keep drillin' this shit in 'till it's gone. Sorry Jue, you can't take no credit in pullin' his card right now. So.....just let it be clear to everyone Sarcasm, do you write, what is it?? Did you ever write? Do you just like taking pictures of graffiti & close ups of your eyeballs???. Let's put it all out. Put this shit to rest you fuckin' wierdo.

...shit.

So.....Sevn is female? Shit went from 0 interest to 10. Show some fuckin' titties up on this bitch!!!!!

Straight up....I really don't like Gram or Deth....as people, feeling's definitely mutual on their side. Sometimes I used to day dream about fist fighting them if we all ended up back in the mix. But, local, man...local. I can't deny the fact both of them came out with some fuckin' dope shit, hard as fuck sometimes. Pieces that made my head nod, like yeah...that's some good shit. They didn't travel all around the world biting shit, they straight used racked cans or dollar store shit. Never steady hit streets with $7 cans, had to have jobs to support them where they couldn't spend 24/7 on perfecting the "prettiness" of graffiti. That shit started in Cali. This is Detroit. We ain't never did that shit here....it ain't us. I'd take a Gram & Deth over a Rime or Sever any damn day of the week. Who the fuck in here was routing for Kobe in '04????? Get the fuck outta here. My bad for the talk & no flicks.....I swear....I'll shut up for a good month or two on here.

It's funny how writers that respect the "rules" of graf. Rules on an expression based on going against the "rules"...don't make sense. But these cats care about what some writers do to other writers. Did you ever wonder if writers you ain't never met that get gone over care about it? You'd be mad pussy if you care, and they didn't. Thought. It's funny how writers that don't follow the "rules" don't care about those that do. But, those that do "follow the rules" get butthurt on those that don't. Who you think gonna come out the winner in this shit? Who you think gonna be able to walk around with the biggest balls? I respect cats so deeply that go so far in what they do.... that it would offend the majority of fans & participants. If anyone goes over all MSK shit in this city this year...hats off. All it means is you embraced the TRUE & ORIGINAL essence of graf, and you're down for your hometown. If you frown on it, you're caught up in that 2nd wave of graffiti culture. Internet/magazine/media/etc. hype of what graffiti CHANGED into. Hey....don't change who you are, all I'm asking is to respect on how this shit was initially built. All I'm saying is, if you're writing now. Don't waste your time mancrushin' on the sidelines. Do what you can do as hard as you can do it. And if it ends up in you fuckin' another writers shit up....a writer with the skill you ain't have, then at least you stepped up, and didn't straight the fuck curl up.

^^^Hate that I always agree with you. But don't throw your shit at dead dog carcus & wipe your name in it with a hard dick. Other than that, I'm sure I'll accept whatever it is as ill.

I will. Then he'd crack on me hard, then we'd drink a beer & talk about how the game ended too quick for us. It's old school here. It's all about who paved the way. True, Army is a fuckin' beast. I had my spots too, but I never disrespected any old school cat because if it ain't for them all of you wouldn't be painting the way you do. Fel's 10 spots a year in the early 90's = 100 spots in my day. My 100 spots = cats 500 spots 10 years down the road. It's mathematics...shit was different back in the day. You hit a street now, and it's nothing. Back then, it meant alot more because it was the only shit existing in a 5 mile square radius. Shit was mad crazy. But, I give hats off regardless to you Detroit kids nowadays. It's not even throws being done, 7 color burners being done with no escape route. Detroit always has, always will kill it. No outside influences ever needed.