Ironlak

Guys, We haven't raised our prices at all, our suppliers keep increasing the costs of our raw materials and we keep absorbing those increases because we know how important it is to writers to be able to have affordable paint and be out painting as much as possible. If the prices are increasing you need to raise that with your local retailer. clizclean & Rustofills, I find it hard to believe we purposely short shipped a carton on you and then ignored you. Generally we're pretty good at going above and beyond to satisfy our customers. Drop us an email ironlak@avtpaints.com and ask for Turner he'll make sure your complaint is looked into and if we did short ship a carton we'll happily sort it out. To the guy that said Ironlak was watery, that's pretty surpising because based on the feedback we get many people buy Ironlak because of how well it covers in comparison to other brands. Thanks

Suds, You may work for a "Distribution company" but one of your in house brands is Razor, its not like MTN for example where you are acting as a distributor for another brand, its your own brand, so really your splitting hairs. As for the undercutting Ironlak was never ever sold for $8.50 in Sydney (we won't call you dishonest just clearly misinformed) and we lowered our prices at the request of most of the Sydney retailers that we're losing business hand over fist, sacrificing our margins to support them is called loyalty its good business practice. I'm sure if you ring them they'll all a test to that. As for Brisbane no one is selling at $4.00 a pop, $6.00 yeah perhaps but that was happening long before your store opened so don't pull the victim card, you're running weekly sales selling below that and we haven't seen a single Brisbane retailer retaliate and match you so you could hardly say we've instigated a price war in Brisbane. All you told was your version of the truth and at the end of the day everyone has their own. We'll even give you the courtesy of having the last word, we know how badly you crave it. Peace

Suds, stop running your mouth. People can use whatever they want, why are you on an Ironlak thread anyway? The reality is that you used to be cool with Ironlak and everyone it employed and now you work for another brand, which is cool you need to feel your family but don't come on here running your mouth with bullshit. You work for a company that is using old Ironlak formula, don't front man at least be honest about it. We know your product, its pro's, con's and everything in between. Who are you to call us out when you discount your own brands price in Brisbane to under cut Ironlak? You're a hypocrite, at least look yourself in the mirror and be honest about it. You're guilty of the same things you're call others out about, and its only because you now work for a brand of paint that is in competition to Ironlak. We made graffiti affordable and accessible to those who didn't want to rack, to those who do, cool do your thing and for those that didn't they had Ironlak, now you've jumped on the bandwagon. When have we ever jumped on a razor thread and talked shit? Never, because we worry about our own stuff, perhaps you should do the same. iorts3, we used to use the same paint as you man, the cheapest grimiest shit we could find. In the end we started a paint company to give writers quality, affordable paint, that's all. So don't think for a minute we don't know where you are at, we used gutter paint that was worse than Wal-Mart paint, and the reality is that people can still rock decent shit with Wal-Mart paint, so if that's your thing go for it, we just want to see people painting, but if you want a bit more coverage and precision Ironlak is there. Peace

Overtime, Thanks for exercising some serious common sense and making a rational argument. Shoot us an email via the website and we'll send you out a T-Shirt. Cheers

NoExceptions, our paint doesn't keep increasing in price. Check any online store its still $3.95 a pop, and we haven't introduced a price increase in the 6 years we've been operating. But I guess ignorance is bliss. On the subject of the DRC that yellow is definitely showing the signs of aging and its a yellow, where as the Hoer was a flirt and is expected to fade. I_fell_off_the_bike, if we removed the caps then no its unlikely the price would go down, caps are expensive for writers and relatively cheap for us (though not fractions of a cent) to get in large quantities and we're just trying to offer writers more value, and more bang for their buck. We stopped with the large clear lids, because they were a waste of plastic, unnecessary and just plain ugly. We understand your point though and we have a solution to this coming real soon.

CAN-KILLER, So do matador and Soviet in Ironlak. You missed the whole point which we explained pretty clearly, when you mix white with Red you get a pink or purple and with that white pigment comes the fading, the straight red pigment on its own isn't being attacked by white pigment so is under far less pressure and means a straight red will last substantially longer. You mix it with white and the white pigment reflects light straight back onto the red pigment breaking down its UV resistance far quicker. williemayeshayes Glad you liked the paint, Ironlak performs pretty well in cold conditions, all brands suffer in extreme conditions which is why the other brand lost pressure, that being said Ironlak performs better than most.

Swindle, It does get a bit redundant, but these are the things you have to do for your customers. At the end of the day they keep us employed so if we have to explain the same thing to every single customer then we will, at least this way people will be educated and in the know, rather than just believing bullshit and rumors. As for the slimy drain, not surprised at all man, Ironlak goes over pretty much anything haha. Cheers

Edward Orenthal Norton, You don't really add UV protection to paint, yes you can add some UV stabilizers but really paint fades due to two reasons first one being the paint film and the second being the pigment. Basically if you look at an old piece done with Ironlak you will notice the film / finish looks good still. With the pigments, red pigments don't have the same level of UV resistance that other colours do, so as we said regardless of what brand you use these will be the first to fade. If you add white into the colour (in the case of say pink) you only compound the problem more because white is the only colour that absorbs and reflects light, most other colours do one or the other, what this means is that when Red pigment is mixed with white its under twice as much pressure because the white pigment is reflecting light on the red pigment. Red pigment already has less UV stability than other colours so when you combine these factors it explains simply why pinks and purples fade faster than other colours. I hope that explains the situation. If you use the Heat piece on the previous page you can see that the fills haven't faded at all, nor have the blue's and green's in the background, its the pink background and the midnight (only red based blue we have) for outline that are the problems, which have been improved significantly but as explained above in any brand these will undergo problems eventually. Thanks

Asian Eater, There were a handful of colours that faded, not the whole range, produce these same vibrant colours in any brand and they will fade, that is just the nature of some of those colours, we've done some things to improve them, but these colours will just not hold up in any brand no matter what you do. As for your comments about Walmart paint they are pretty weak man, compare our black, our white or any colour produced in the Walmart brand and you'll get the same result Ironlak will probably outlast them, as someone said a page earlier even MTN fades, but it just depends on the colour as to how quickly it fades. I personally live in the Australian version of Arizona and I can tell you that you put any brand of paint on a surface that is a pink, purple or some other mid town containing both white and red, and it will NOT last longer than about 6-8 months tops. If you want your shit to last a lifetime pick a different colour.

seoren, I believe the MSDS is available on our website and the Toluene content is around 2% so 312gm x 2% is about 6 grams roughly. But to answer your question this isn't what causes the smell, we don't actually add any toluene that comes already in our resin, but as its present we need to declare it on the MSDS. As for the winter comment, we realise that other brands do things differently but we also believe that the "technology" is already in the product today we just had someone use the Tar and Normal Ironlak in some extremely cold temps and the results we're pretty impressive, so in that regard we feel like the product already does what it needs to do, from what we've been told its actually pretty good in the cold compared with other brands and this is from credible writers in Canada and the Midwest where it really counts. iorts3 we're actually playing with some fragrance adjustments at the moment to reduce the smell, the changes will probably start filtering through into stock towards the end of Spring at a guess. Thanks

Another suggestion is just use colours that don't fade, there are only a handful of colours that actually fade, as these colours will fade in any brand. So regardless of what brand you use stick with colours that are going to take a lot longer to fade if your shit is going to run for a long time.

Guys, Just on the subject we had this sent to us just then. It was -10 Deg C or about 14 Deg F but it held up fairly well as you can see, which is well above the 40 F someone else mentioned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACypt-d2sk Thanks

Guys, That is interesting we'll take a look at the cold weather aspect. No paint works particularly well in the cold, that is just a fact of line but from everything we've heard in the past the paint works quite well in the cold compared with other brands and we've heard that from quite a few writers based in the Cold Mid-west. But none the less we will definitely be taking a close look at this and if we find similar problems we'll make the necessary adjustments. Thanks for the heads up Ironlak

?ar, Rusto takes an abnormaly long time to dry. Nothing is going to have much success painting over that, also taking into account that this is a pretty cold winter for the USA. osrem & shaolinmasta, the bigger cans have been finished they will be out very soon.

?ar, I could be wrong But I believe Rusto is 12oz, as apposed to Ironlak and every other Graff brand paint being 11oz. That explains the difference you are referring too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ih_l-aaZhc We couldn't really see any coverage problems with the tar black in the above demo. We aren't necessarily disagreeing with you though as our normal blacks go over most silver anyway without any problem. The Tar is just there for those problematic silvers.