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Still have a bunch of paint to get rid of. If anyone is seriously interested in it hit me up with a msg. Trying to get rid of it as soon as humanly possible.

I got a ton of extra paint lying around trying to get rid of hit me up with a pm...

Hey yers did you used to write two toes or give up??

Hey nover that shit is super dope. I was thinking that you would have done one of the badass bullet holes in the middle of the O though. Just a thought if you do something like that again in your book. Otherwise I have love checkin out the ones you do with characters. Great shit.

That isn't OAKS??

Lovin the capital B 3d negative space you got going on in this last piece. Took me a second look to see it. Not that it is a brand new technique or anything, but your execution is always on point. All of your work is fucking phenomenal.

stem is rockin for sure... people just don't like the big head that you have. however it is no big deal with me however I do have to say that other dudes hands are killin compared to yours that you put up. just an opinion, we all have them they are like assholes.

SoS had an alright effect but the letter was real weak. The back leg on the N is like a twisted arm with no real direction. I would rather look at the pencil N that had a great foundation and was solid all the way around. Just my 2cents. Don't think there is a circle jerk going on, people would vote for who ever really puts it down.

Not in the least dude's shit is fire.. I prefer serif's work to seen's but I just love that west coast funk I guess. Buyin those WST's shirts like they are fuckin crack rocks.

looks like someone needs to stroll and patrol so you can tell jet in person where he isn't supposed to be

Those Large characters are so fresh really diggin em. I wouldn't doubt he uses stocks and rusto some people just have that swagger. Great letter flow, no fancy ass special effects, just straight fire connections, and slick fills. Starting to sound like a cheerleader going back to gettin high and lurkin again...

In my humble opinion real writers do what they do because it is something inside them that drives them. Not for recognition. I don't mean people who write I mean people who live graff. Really live it. Not even all the old school heads from NY live and breath graff. These heads don't have traditional families, don't ever buy anything, and just get out to get up those dudes would never be on some self promo shit. They will just let what they do speak for itself, and to be honest it probably isn't even about it speaking for anything. It is probably just a part of who they are. So in short, I believe if you truly are down and love this shit just do what you do and don't ask for anything back. Real graff heads are hard at the core and they aren't the dude that is going to be crying at their hearing they are the guy that gets out on parole and walks to the hardware store and racks some paint and then throws a tag on the side of the same store after they walk out. Just an opinion from an asshole.

I am sorry I thought I was going to stop responding to OAKS and it has been a long time since I have, but come on dude are you fucking serious? You must be smokin some crazy shit to get the balls to try and talk about your mag on the internet. Sweet you met some writers in New York. You may even personally know some of our faves from our city but you come on here actin like an idiot and expect people to give a shit. No one cares about what you are doing. If you are doing things right others will be talking about what you are doing, and no one is doing that. Don't self promote in our thread or post in the MSK thread like a 15 kid who has a hard on for writing. After this last post I just feel bad for you straight up. Anyone who has beef with this dude should just squash it cause hurtin someone like him only makes you look bad. It would be like beating up a handicapped kid. Stop waving your graff flag so hard do what you want to do but don't act like what you do is the shit cause man it isn't helping your case. Plus that last piece you did for someones room or whatever you need to ask one of your old friends to go over that so the kid doesn't grow up thinking that is what real graff should look like.

Plus most of those LA crews have been holding it down since the 80s. MSK AWR CBS and the like were around before the big names of today. Not being a dick or anything but those crews had foundations way before the current writers took that shit global and merchandised the hell out of it. Which by no means is stupid like so many others who are trying to hate on people who are pushing this shit further than it has gone before. Shit everyone in here would fucking love a paint sponsorship. If you are one of those tards that says no to that then fuck, you must not really love this shit like you claim. I am down to throw in for prizes and such as long as we can get an actual battle with more than 5 people at a time. Paint, Markers, Blackbooks, Other Books, Mags, Videos, etc if anyone is interested in setting up a real battle situation with real prizes and such get at me with a pm. I would love to see this get to be as good as it was before. We can do what Bombing Science has been doing and then maybe we can even get some guest judges in here so that people feel like someone with a lot of work under their belt is actually going to judge their shit, and have enough clout in the game that it makes sense when they decide who wins. Shit maybe we can even get one of those online shops to throw swag at us so we can give away even better prizes which will be a draw for even better writers to compete.

What happened to the ALL KINGS/TRAIN CHAMPS flickr?? Tell me they took them down to compile a book or something...

Hey if you want a good way to download and don't mind paying a little bit of cash every month I can put you onto something where you can download at the absolute maximum speed that your connection allows hit me up with a pm and I can help you out. It is also encrypted so your ISP doesn't have any idea what you are downloading. I also have over 1TB of tv shows and another half TB of movies all stuff from the 80s til present.

Zennegen bitch please you know nothing about me and I sure as fuck don't live with my moms. Too be honest I am probably about 10 years your senior so I think you should not take the few things I have ever posted on here as a reflection of anything I have done. The giant retarded rant I had was pretty much directed at people like you. Fucking on the internet actin like you know shit about anyone on here. Punk ass little bitches trying to pull peoples cards over the internet just sad. I bet you have never had to fight for shit in your life. Now comes the typical "you don't know me" blah blah blah "I would fucking beat your ass" blah blah blah... Internet punks make me laugh. To everyone else contributing keep on keepin on... Now zenne if you truly are a worth while decent individual and writer then I might be wrong about you. However from the things you have written I doubt you are that person. If I turn out to be wrong I would gladly discuss any aspect of this shit we all seem to care so much about. You should be able to tell by MI one style alone that he has been around the bend and back. Not many now-a-days have the balls to flex something that simplistic with all you guys going around talking shit cause it doesn't overlap or have a 3d. Shit writing that last part makes me crack up. Kids today think unless your shit looks like sofles, askew, or revok would do it then it isn't good enough. Not that any of those cats put out bad shit in the least, but I think you know what I am talking about if you are older than 20. I would take a felon character, mber freight, or TCI end to end anyday over some crazy out of control technical piece anyday. On top of that I would kill 1000 babies to have grown up in the heyday of it all in NYC. Back when you had to carry a weapon on you just to get back home from school without a hassle.

I can't believe any of you people would discount mi one cause his stuff is more simplistic. No where in this thread does it say the shit you post needs to be a particular way. His simple no overlapping shit on the last page is tougher than most the shit I see posted here. MPC alone has enough clout to have its members post in here. I hate all this crap about it doesn't fit this criteria so it doesn't belong here. Too be honest you want people like him and other old school heads postin in here so you can modify what kind of crap you are pumping out. I would rather stare at an old subway photo anyday that may have fuzzy lines and drips here and there then stare at some super polished msk stuff. Not saying that I don't respect where graff is going but you gotta respect where it came from. Shit to be honest I would rather have more flicks in here then anything. Same goes for pesk. He has certain things on lock and other things that need to be polished. So instead of talking all this shit provide constructive crits and not just I can burn you blah blah blah. Same goes for what he said about shit. Look at the MI one again. His letters are clean as fuck and they all make sense good spacing good flow all of the above. This is the internet talking shit and beefin on here makes you look like a child, be a man and stand up and maybe something constructive next time. Shit Mi one might even be the new school of mpc still either way his shit is simple but not weak in the least. saying his shit is weak is like saying blade is weak cause his shit was kinda sloppy and his letters didn't make a lot of sense to people. I hate this fucking future generations who are all ready to comment on shit and talk shit to people who probably have been pushing this culture longer than they have. Its a fucking sketch thread for you to get ideas out and put shit down maybe get some comments back that help you. telling people to go to the toy thread when you post up your fucking crap is stupid there are maybe 5 people that post in here that really have their blackbooks on some other level shit. Most of you can't put shit down that comes close to it. I am not naming names, but fuck I miss when these threads were full of people like hecs, this one, newkon, even dorkstar. i have been on this site for a long time changed my screen name only three times. Up until these last two years or so this shit helped people and put people onto shit and allowed them to grow as writers. Now its I don't like your shit look at my crap. I guess I should stop getting fade and readin this shit cause it makes me think that most of you bitches think the world of yourselves and can't see any value in anything that your puny brains didn't come up with. Back to the pipe and the herbs. I apologize in advance for anyone who reads this and starts getting all pissy like a bitch if you feel better about it talk shit to me and call me all sorts of shit cause to me this is the internet and i don't give a fuck.

Substanceoverhype... I wrote a book for you... LOL how can you say atom is a bite on dare. How long you even been in the game? I am pretty sure Atom and SUK are established enough that they aren't even paying attention to this shit. On top of that to just say something about a dead writer who was most likely friends or at least comrades with the guy you are saying bit him is fucking ridiculous. Then you come off at other people like they are the assholes cause they don't agree with you. I am sure tomorrow when you go to school in the morning you can act like the big graff head that you think you are, but do some research on the subject at least know that these guys have done productions together. There is a big world out there read, look, and listen before you jump on a shitty bandwagon trying to disgrace people who have been putting in since before you were swimming around in your daddy's nut sack. How can someone who has the screen name substanceoverhype sit here and hype some dude that is a fucking king. Hands down learn about european graff... I would love a retort please spend your time responding to me hopefully before you do respond you will go and read and figure out some shit for yourself. Here is an american reference for you its like saying that a dude from imok and a dude from df have similar styles. The reason is that people who move in similar circles pick things up from each other. Keep fighting the good fight and trying to expose real heads who put in real work while you sit and troll this website.

I still will never comprehend how people can come on here and say that if something is too god damn ridiculous in execution or style that some how it isn't graffiti anymore. I mean I guess they hide under the illegal vs legal argument, but come off it. Most of these guys have been burning for so long that they are most definitely style innovators and pioneers. True if you dig deep enough you will see influences and technique trading but that is what art is all about. For all you pussy ass bitches who constantly complain about any writer who works on this level or with these guys... Read a fucking book. Art movements like graffiti are fucking still art movements. If you think that because all of the new special effects, fill ideas and boundary pushing outlines etc... that somehow they surpassed graffiti then wouldn't that be the definition of next level shit? Not some reason to complain about what you can't even touch with the mediocre pieces that you spit out. Plus almost all of these guys put in work like any other writer and now even more than you do jacking paint and going out after the bar. Shit between flying everywhere making appearances at art expo's and all of the media shit that comes along with being a good artist the fact that they have time to still paint and produce artwork at the rate that they do is fucking retarded. The only people I see complaining are the people that couldn't even touch the shit that these people have created on their worst day. They get sponsored? So what... most artists have a benefactor, and the shit that these people have risked to get where they are is probably more severe than any other art movement that went from underground to mainstream in the history of art. Except maybe when art left the religious realm and some artists were tortured and maimed for blasphemy. Oh and for all you haters reading this I don't put street art in the same category as graffiti, I have never been to art school, and I sure as fuck don't wear tight pants. So fuck all that hipster shit people are about to spit. Fuckin weed put me on a soap box.

Funny how the majority of rail heads could probably explain the problems with our rail system better than the fools who get paid 6 figures to know their business. Our country is sure fucking ass backwards thats for sure. Where is our money for our studies...

I have to point this out... But I am pretty sure deaps is one dude having a whole crew on the run to cover his shit. I mean you may not like the dude but he is getting all you guys out to paint on a regular basis, and his disses are funny as shit. I am sure you have your reasons for the beef, but I would say that he is keeping shit alive around here. It seems like DmC only exists to go over him and if that is the case that is pretty sad to have a crew after one dude.

definitely point out where I can improve. I have always been a straight up letter guy so I have very little movement to my shit. Mostly freight type shit that is mostly straight up and down and very large. this is something I whipped up the other morning in about 6 or so min a bit more flow I feel but definitely not like my other stuff ... the one under that is just some shit that I did after I was staring at jurne's work for 5 hours stoned outta my mind. I wouldn't say straight bite but his shit definitely got me a lot looser with the letters.

Some new outlines i have been fuckin with. I almost never do the same outline twice. I feel like you gotta change your shit as often as you can so you don't get stale or burnt out on one style

here are some I have been working on for MeK nothing in return is necessary. Colored will be posted in a few days. The second one is more my style the first is just somethings I have been messing around with.