no shit they're old, thats the point. this thread is filled with 90% garbage because all the new guys are garbage. who wants to see that shit online anyway? I could point a camera out my window and flick some sloppy no-flow crap if i wanted to show you that but I dont. seems like fools these days dont give a fuck what kinda fucked up tags they have running. take a look at SJ graff before the internet was a factor. SJ had its own flavor, everybody had hand handstyles that flowed.