yeah well i guess i got a bottle of grog chrome coming in soon that i got for real cheap so well finally see what its all about......but yeah as stated on the first page of this thread ink and paint are completly different things so DED insides would work in pilots but not outdoorsman because its oil based paint but alot thinner than your everyday bucket paint...................tho the best ink if anybody wants to know is garvey and marsh t-grade pigmented for outdoors makes an ink that never fades and resists the weather forever and the garvey helps against the buff , tho marsh pigmented is extremly hard to get now and iv only found places that sells it in large quantities.....one ink i wish was sold in bottles is pilots silver ink , its such an amazing ink and iv had tags last for 2 years or so before gettin the buff................................also what gospeloner said up top it would be really dope if somebody(or more)posted a picture comparing all the different inks such as nero , corio , ded indoors , garvey , marsh , grog and all that other crap tho ill get the fliks up of the chrome grog handys once it comes in..peacee