ese...i've got a line of about sixty up,mp,sp flats and mini-ridges that have been slowly collecting from my yard sitting in front of my house for the last two plus months. also, about three hours north from me is around 40 upfe's that are soon to be no more. i've been fortunate to watch a particular yard for a long time and have seen cars that were labeled retired show back up a year later or more still carrying stuff around. my point is that the railroads motives arent always to end a cars life but to evaluate it and do what they can to maximize the life left. i bet some of the nj people on those flats are happier than hell that those things are going to end up somewhere else...i know that if i never saw another golden west ridge i wouldnt shed a tear...