wow everyone here is so great....i thought i would get made fun of for this....thanks guys ...not that it's completely solved my dillemma but it sure has enlightened me a little...btw i grew up around the era when tagbanging was cool and i just want the kids on here to know that all that crew pride stuff is a bunch of bullshit.i've lost three close friends as a result of it ,one of whom had a one year old daughter...i dunno shit was really sad, and stupid.think before you act. peace.