that couwenberg stuff reminds me a little of what i've been playing with lately. i should add that i like it a lot. on that note, and with what joker was talking about, i think it's important to remind yourself that your hand-eye coordination is UNIQUE and therefore any product you may produce will be your own...even if somebody else is doing similar shit, the way you do your thing is what sets you apart and that can't be helped whether you'd like it or not. just my half-drunken $.02 for the evening..