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Wow, check the anarcop against the wall talking to the riot police asking them to arrest them because their cover is blown. Then the three pigs for no apparent reason shuffle into the police line and are instantly arrested. Can anyone explain to me why any true member of an organised anarchist/protest movement would ever get themselves arrested in such a useless and obvious manner?

it's funny I know light beer in america means low carb, but in Australia Light beer has a much lower alcohol content. Also we passed the same law regarding the labeling of cigarettes as light over here 5 or so years ago.

yeah I saw an interview with an Israeli official who quoted the particular relevant passages of maritime law and it is true that the action of boarding vessels in international waters that are intent on breaking a blockade after due warning is legal.

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I thought I'd start a thread where you can post up vids of talks, lectures etc. of an academic nature that strike a chord with you. I saw Kaiser Kuo on a panel discussion program recently and I was really impressed with him, here is a talk he gave on Chinese internet usage and the impact it has on Sino-American relations. A talk about the design of the spaces we live in and the failure of American suburbia add

hahaha, a little bit less conclusive but yeah you get to see a shadow fluttering that apparently executes a bunch of people out of frame.

From what I have read the Lib Dems were only offered an ironclad promise on an electoral reform referendum by the Tories, Labour wouldn't give them one and have broken a promise about it before. Electoral reform to proportional representation is the best way to escape the 2 party system of rewarding the least incompetent, or the party that hasn't had a chance to fuck up for the last term. New Labour simply did not deserve yet another term in government, I certainly don't think the Tories do but with the prospect of electoral reform on the horizon this outcome could easily be the best one for Britain.

Sorry man I didn't post that intending it to be an attack on you, I just heard about it on a tv show today and as this was the last forum discussion I had been involved in before I heard about the concept I thought it was ironic and amusing. I am actually very happy with where our discussion ended it struck me as a constructive exchange of ideas.

I heard about this just now and immediately thought of this thread. Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2] Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

its jsut the same video that's been going around with really bad digital enhancement

I think the point at which our opinions differ is whether big business invested in the Third Reich for the purposes of making money or whether they did it out of ideological support of Hitler. Like ANY other country in the world at the time, Nazi Germany was heavily involved in business with American and other international firms. I think businesses are unscrupulous in their pursuit of capital, and I think fascism is good for big business. I do not however think, nor have I ever seen it proved, that a group of international financial and political leaders (the 'NWO') ever showed support for the Nazi regime beyond the same level at which they do business with any state, for the sole purpose of making money. Big business dealings with the 3rd Reich were opportunistic rather than coordinated for the purposes of supporting the regime. I'm not saying this makes it excusable but at the same time it in no way implies a concerted conspiracy amongst global elites in support of the 3rd Reich.

Alright it's good to hear you at least don't think the NWO is a Jewish Banker conspiracy, and that you recognise that a lot of people do and feel this is incorrect. On the subject of Hitler if you read Meink Kampf you will realise that he believed the world was run by a cabal of Jewish Bankers along with other powerful capitalists and aristocrats from the western world. His opposition to these perceived enemies is evident both in his writings and in his actions, he was not a part of the organisation that he vowed to destroy in his political manifesto. Hitler received funding from wealthy German industrial interests like Krupp, Siemens, IG Farben etc. for the simple reason that the Nazi Party was more pro business than their main radical opposition, The Communist Party. If you have some proof that the Third Reich was in any meaningful way supported by a group of wealthy international elites I would be very interested to read it.

No I don't disagree that Hitler was interested in the occult. I disagree that this is in any way relevant to a discussion about ruling elites of today or of the last millenium. Hitler was not part of an established ruling elite. He has the same ideas about the world being run by a cabal of capitalists/jews that you seem to share. You obviously do not know anything about Hitler or the 3rd Reich if you even bring them into a discussion about the 'NWO'. You used Hitler's supposed Occultism as an example of a pattern of behaviour in what you describe as elites running the NWO, this is not an appropriate example because Hitler is in no way related to the ruling elite of today or the past. The End

Your use of Hitler as an example of occultism in the NWO is actually a perfect example of the way conspiracy theorists take unrelated and irrelevant facts and mesh them together to create unsound arguments.

What does Hitler have to do with your concept of the NWO? You are using him as an example of occult practices amongst the elite circles you are speaking about when he was a populist dictator who came to power as a sworn enemy of the same imaginary NWO you are describing. Didn;t that work out nicely too?

Another interesting phenomenon that I don;t have time to discuss right this moment is that the majority of people that believe in one conspiracy theory also believe in many other unrelated ones. Discuss.

Zig I don't think a conspiracy theory is by virtue of being a conspiracy theory untrue. i'm sure there are plenty that are in fact true. However the dominant conspiracy theories being throw arpound of late (ie 9/11, NWO stuff, jewish banking cabals etc) do not have any significant evidence to support them, at best there are a handful of facts dispersed with many falsehoods that are put together to make an unsound overarching conclusion.

I didn't say they were uneducated I said they were uneducated in critical thinking, you can be vocationally educated and have no idea of how the world works.

As was mentioned in one of the posted articles, the simplicity of the conspiracy theories is what makes them so attractive to people. Those of weaker intellectual constitution are intimidated by the thought that the world works on levels that they cannot understand, or when events occur that are beyond their control. It is near impossible to describe the intricate detail in which governments, societies, cultures, and economies of the world work and how they are delicately intertwined. To the simple man who dares not admit that he does not grasp how these things work it is much less damaging to the ego to make the blanket statement that a group of sinister Jewish Bankers control all of these spheres and orchestrate global events to their own draconian ends. It is scary to think that a world changing event like 9/11 can have been caused by a relatively small, poorly organised group of unimportant Arabs, so instead the great consequences have to be attributed to a great antagonist, like a cabal of powerful world leaders and government agencies leading up to the President of the United States. The illogical and untrue version of events is invented because the truth is too complex for most people to properly comprehend. And because of the simplistic nature of the invented explanation it is easier and faster to propagate than the complex truth. “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Great thread Frankie lets hope it doesn't degenerate into the clueless ramblings of the nwo conspiracy mob. The resilience of conspiracy theories lies in the lack of education of the people that propagate them. Anyone with an understanding of critical thinking can debunk 90% of the claims that get made in relation to the popular conspiracy theory of the day without needing more than a perfunctory glance over the argument. Most people don;t know what a circular argument is so when they come in contact with one they are easily duped, one of the articles you posted mentions Occam's razor, I would be surprised if one in 50 people on this website knew what this meant. Critical thinking should be a compulsory component of high school education. A few hours of theory and a handful of practical exercises teaching how to identify the different types of fallacious reasoning and this would be a fringe problem. People need to be equipped with the proper tools to dissect arguments and analyze their validity, otherwise they are just going to be prey to whatever lie they hear repeated most often and loudest.

Here, guy that raped and killed my daughter, have your own deluxe room with a playstation, flat screen, and room service for the next ten years, and let the society you abused pay for it. Thanks Norway

interesting thanks for postring

Not really crossifre material, your smoking habit, is it?

valiant, I like that phrase though. In other news in my old age im increasingly coming around to the opinion that people that do these kind of things should just be summarily executed instead of spending the rest of their lives inflicting pain and suffering on innocents and costing the taxpayer millions to process and incarcerate them. I am totally serious as well I just don;t see the point in accommodating people like this in society, I know for damn sure in a less wealthy society that couldn;t afford to keep someone alive and under lock and key without them producing it wouldn't even be an option to let them go free and risk the safety of the public. I say make violent criminals work for the privileged of being in prison or deal with them the old fashioned way