165 lb curl is def. no joke, i know dudes i graduated with that probably couldn't bench that. either way this might be a bit personal but gliko i'd like to know if you ever took hgh, dbol, winni v or anything else other than over the counter supplements. a friend of mine was tiny all through high school and into his early 20's but when he got into weight lifting he took everything i mentioned plus some. now he incline presses 150 lb dumbells for reps