i didnt bother to read all of this thread.. all i read were a couple angry euro posts that were anti american. nowi dont want to argue and i dont think either part of the world is better. graff is all about the individual. not your state or country. yes, it is true that graffiti started in the americas, yes it is true that there are probably more writers here also, and also yeah its true that europeans do hit alot more passenger trains than the us. and it is quite obvious that outside of trains, europeans dont have much on americans in terms of walls. you say wheres our whole trains and cars? we say to you where is your la river piece? wheres your planes, wheres your fucking barge boats. we hit just as big as you do, just because as its not in the same place doesnt mean its not as good. stick saber msk awr in europe and im sured hed put everyoine to shame. he puts alot of us people to shame also. theres obviously a large contrast in style between here and there. in europe yes.. everyone gets up everywhere. here, you have fewer writers that are kings, but they are alot better than the kings over there. the writers in europe that really put in the effort to be better at graff stand out, like daim, dare, and others. neither section of the world is better and you cant compare, lifestyles are completley different and echside gets their own respect.