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funny that you call them "baby armns" when they came first and are much older cars.
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photobucket exceeded..
maybe if the bench WAS your church, this wouldn't happen?
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^^^I got that one from T Kid... LOL
...And you know, T-Kid likely got it from Tony Manero, the real graffiti icon of 1977. KA knows what I'm sayin!
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As of last year there were still jest nes ches mono merg and elf tags in the parking lot by caldor/ai etc. But they remodeled it since then and maybe they are gone now.. there was a met gate there until like 3 or 4 yrs ago too
that place used to be rocked! back when it was still Waldbaum's, Caldor, Pergament, around back towards the entrance to the flea market was covered. there was a piece on the refrigeration unit on top of Waldbaum's (Tine i think), throwies all around the back of that building, a piece facing Rt. 1, even a piece on one of the United Hospital rooftops. I remember Dmand throwies, even Tracy 168 stuff, when he did a short highway run nearby on 287. if there's still tags out there, i gotta check that out. years before Kohl came in i was pretty sure most of it was clean.
AI Friedman by like '94 was done with spray paint, IIRC. But the markers were pretty popular, until they moved the rack up front. There was at least one old-school writer from the Bronx that worked there also.
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Ahhh. So this is your photo. I've seen this one get around. I have a few old Met pieces. One of his best was off the New Haven line. Really nice silver. Funny. I had beef with both Met, and Bone back then (those guys had beef with quite a few dudes). It was actually with Bone, but those dudes always rolled together. I think it started because of a spot at the bike path. I remember we used to go to Port Chester to rack there. You had 3 great rack spots side by side. There was a Caldor, an art store called AI Friedman (they had the best Krylons back then. Jungle Green, Baby Blue, Pastell Yellow, Hot Pinks, etc), and a Pergament. I met some writer in Friedman's and we were talking. He told me he did a spot the week before and 2 dudes rolled on him. One had a bat and asked what he wrote. They thought he might be me, but they put the bat down when they realized he wasn't. Years later (and i mean years) I wound up meeting Bone. At that point we laughed about the whole thing. We wound up having beers, and kicking it. He threw me down with TVT, and we became friends. I would love to talk to that dude today. Haven't talked to him in a good 11 years.
Speaking of Met, did you ever flik the piece he had at those Mt Vernon tracks (same as the Jent & Vet wall)? I remember being in front of a piece he did, but for some reason never got pics of it. When i went back his piece was ragged. There is a nice simple Noble piece that was on that wall which i took pics of. You can still see remnants of the Met behind it.
Are you talking about the huge Met piece at the INC tunnels? I remember that piece, damn nice even after someone wrote over it with a marker (which was another piece of drama). Met was better known for bombing, and it's funny... someone called that a simple, but that was a piece for back then. I vaguely recall Met doing a piece of someone else's name, like a girlfriend?
That Caldor is quite storied, esp among TVT. It was a great spot, but so heavily racked you could rarely get good colors there. Lots of Jade Green, Mauve, Rose, that kind of thing but I never saw Hot Pink or Baby Blue there. AI Friedman is still there, but I don't remember it for spray paint at all. They got really sharp and had security. Yeah, there was a lot of drama back then, it took some energy to keep yourself out of it sometimes. In my recollection, much of 914 was bombers and lots of beef (childish, of course). Bone is doing well the last I heard, drop me a PM.
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miss seeing those Poets light up Harrison-Larchmont... there's still a few small tags of his on the line
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don't think people livin in the slums listened to that hipster ass music, maybe if it was playing in a corny ass freight movie...ill footage none the less....
thank god i still come on once in a while to see some sheer, homegrown ignorance such as this.
i'm not really sure where to begin... is "hipster" the term for absolutely anything you don't like or do you think just because people wore smaller pants in the past that they're all "hipster-asses"... do you know when Stations Of The Elevated was made.... are you upset that people in the slums in the 1920s weren't listening to dat crunk hip hop you think is "real"... do you know what the most important music that the US invented actually is... do you really think you got something substantial to say against freights...
it's nice to see that graffiti still attracts the finest minds from around the globe.
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Well put Zed. Also keep into account that the NY system is the second oldest in the country and smaller European cities are often more likely to have younger, newer systems, which they update more often. For instance, the NY Metro North is just now updating their New Haven line railcars, which were very reliable but date from the mid 1970s. In addition, NY subway was three different railroad companies that operated apart in one of the busiest, largest, and most intricate cities in the western hemisphere, which was going through one of its worst economic conditions with a huge population.
"The MTA’s efforts to keep its fleet graffiti free were often outdone by the city’s writers. The tenacity of subway writers, combined with the Transit Authority’s cost effective “Deferred Maintenance” policy in the 1960s and 70s, is what truly made subway graffiti an epidemic. In the early 1980s, the MT.A. began to see light at the end of the tunnel, even though it would take several years for them to reach it."from the steel wheels book.
even before graffiti the trains were filthy, covered with soot and break dust. stations and stairwells were poorly lighted and smelled like piss. trash was everywhere and crime was rampaned. the city was in finincal ruin. when graffiti arrived it just magnified the real problem. corrupt city government, the heroin/crack epedemics just exacerbated the problem, resulting in an overall poor quality of life. although officials loved to blame subway graffiti in part for this quality of life issue, but in my opinion, graffiti was more of an effect than a cause. in the 70s and 80s NYC was really like a 3rd world country, not just the subway. the tables didnt begin to turn until the mid-late 1980s. When i go to visit new York today i swear it is not the same place i grew up in 20-30 years ago.
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I believe this is Beam TC5, as the message below it reads "Love is the Message" which also appears in the "Stop Crime" joint by Doc, Beam as seen in the Spraycan Art.......
That may be, but "Love Is The Message" is a classic disco message track (what?? not hip hop???) that anyone could be referencing. It still got plenty of burn through the 80s.
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that Monoe shot is killer
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elfen magik indeed!!
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damn, i remember hearing multiple times that they were gonna finally pull out them old cars, guess they're still in that spot. good benching.
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lest we forget, the concept of "hip hop" is a marketing term first and foremost.
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yeah, i think that's almost certainly the orig Sope and Felon, from their styles and that it's them together. old as fuck and a great find.
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money is tight, but the order is put in for this work. been interested since Zed mentioned it like 2+ years back. we all must support the right people, and self-releasing a book deserves much respect. $45 bucks is nothing for the amount of work he must've put into this. getting a real photog's point of view and recollection is invaluable and miles away from people recycling other people's images or duplicating old subway flicks and thinking it gets them fame. i'm eager to check this one out and happy that Zed's material is getting out there in a format that's built to last.
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satan is an evilous man, but a hearty oi oi oi back to you Zed.
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yeah the PNW. great post, great state!
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You used Growco. It was generic Krylon swap meet dollar paint but worked good and had some nice colors.
EPMD, didn't Touche by Zynolyte also have a color that was similar? Don't have the color chart handy, but I do know that it was primarily a left-coast paint. Growco was def big out there though, Frame was a fan of the Growco as I recall.
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Icy Grape was kind of a dog for paint dealers. They made it from 1970 to 1980 and a lot of people say it never sold... so a lot of people didn't order it.
That pic is pretty distorted, and it's hard to tell what's what in many cases. Trains fade too.
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fuckin a Zed, how the fuck people don't know this shit??
oh wait, maybe that's why there's a Mare, a Dero, a Wolf, and a Daze these days....
and they ain't the real ones.
ROLLING THUNDER WRITERSRTW was a Broadway crew founded by BIL-ROCK aka SAGE in the mid to late 70s. Early generation RTWs include: BIL ROCK, VANDAL, NE aka MIN, RASTA,SE 3 aka HAZE, CRUNCH, REVOLT, STRIKE, ZEPHYR and MACKIE. They bombed the One Tunnel, following in the footsteps of crews like GO, TR and SA. This early incarnation of RTW was known for a broad and progressive color pallet. Their pieces had incredible colors. They were experimenting with unusual brands of paint and getting distinctive results. The works had a definite psychedelic edge.They hit both insides and out, quickly becoming noticed on the 1s and 3s. It wasn't long before they out grew the confines of Broadway, and they went all city. By 1982 RTWs identity changed dramatically. Many of the original members quit, though the more prolific members continued. With MIN ONE as a leading force and with the decaying social climate RTW became a much more physically aggressive crew. With TVS and WOW as allies and the likes RICH 2, BOE many writers were intimidated. RTW continued to be prolific, particularly on the letter lines. They were pretty much unstoppable. MIN, SACH and QUIK produced a wave of throw ups which rivaled the mid 70s. Rolling Thunder Writers undoubtedly earned their place in New York City history.
from http://www.at149st.com/rtw.html
in the event you didnt already have this info..
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knew this cat from back in 92 or so. always on the scene, always happy to be doing his thing.
there's some history there, shit is hard to believe.
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if it's not documented, then someone did it for themselves and not for the internet
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Mecro did a fantastic job of preserving all the numbers on that first one, pro !
looks that way, but he wasted the consolidated stencil... the "black box" which you know they have to stamp over. but E for effort!
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I'm not convinced that there is only one StayHigh 149. The fame of Wayne StayHigh came largely from the 80s generation of writers, based on a time period probably going back to the mid 70s. It's not comprehensive history, which it can NEVER be. There's always going to be a story or a viewpoint that's as true as anything else, which has never been heard. Who's to say it couldn't be? There is no master narrative of graffiti, just the myths/legends that keep the same people getting paid over and over. No question that the StayHigh149 that was famous was the most up, and that appears to be Wayne.
I love how people look for one absolute truth out of a "movement" that never was organized... a bunch of kids, many of whom were hanging by a thread, poverty and/or drugs, and the ones who survived are expected to have total recollection of it all AND be unbiased? That's asking for too much. There is no single "correct" history.
NYC Subways - the good stuff-Best thread on 12 oz!
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Funhouse t-shirt..... Frankie Bones rocks the house!!