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When will we know who our new president is?

Discussion in 'News' started by [email protected]#$%, Nov 1, 2004.

  1. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    Pre-election litigation war flares up
    2 suits filed in Ohio over voter challenges
    http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...1010416/-1/NEWS


    ACLJ Forms Election Law Compliance Team to Ensure Presidential Election Complies With U.S. Constitution
    WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 1, 2004--The American Center for Law and Justice, specializing in constitutional law, announced today it has formed an Election Law Compliance Team to ensure that the presidential election complies with the U.S. Constitution.
    http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/g...677&newsLang=en



    Fattah, Attorneys: Aggressive Poll Challengers in Minority Precincts Will be Individually Sued
    PHILADELPHIA, Oct. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Congressman Chaka Fattah (D-PA) unveiled a plan today in response to anticipated efforts by GOP poll challengers (or watchers, as they are called in some states) to lodge systematic challenges against large numbers of African-American and Latino voters on Election Day.
    http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=39231


    A majority of voters — and an overwhelming number of African-Americans — said they were concerned their own votes would not be counted properly, and one-third said they expected to encounter problems when they go to vote, the poll found. Nearly 80 percent of black respondents said they expected that some states would make a deliberate effort to prevent them from voting Tuesday.
    http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595102224,00.html
     
  2. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Nov 16, 2000 Messages: 10,259 Likes Received: 18
    Call me optimistic (and I am), but I expect Kerry to win decisively - enough to put the election out of reach of the majority of litigation. (I.e., even if the Bushies were to succeed at their litigation, Kerry would still win that state/the election). But that won't stop an onslaught of litigation from first occurring.

    But who knows.

    I'm so fucking nervous. I've had a knot in my stomach ever since I woke up. I don't even know why I'm here at school. I can't concentrate for shit.
     
  3. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    i agree.
    i was wondering just now why i was in such a shitty, distracted mood.
    it's the fucking election.

    i have a bad feeling dubya's gonna win.

    for a long time i was with my dad:
    the polls are wrong, they aren't accounting for all the people who are going to vote that didn't vote last time.

    but now i'm worried.
     
  4. 23578

    23578 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 2, 2000 Messages: 2,521 Likes Received: 0
    yeah synbols, i've seen some of this, I can't beleive the republicans would try to stop Latinos from voting, i'm pretty sure they practically favor bush right now. i'm really worked up over this too, there is too much shady shit going on out there.

    i'm also worried about most of the polling i've seen. i hope that seekings prediction about all the kids out there voting for kerry comes true, but i think he puts too much stock into it. there are too many brainwashers out there, and that segment of the populace is extremely succeptible.

    prepare for a week of extreme anxiety. i think i'm going to go buy a roll of quilted northern, and a couple of thirty packs. fortunately we have a heavy hitting trial lawyer on our side this time around.
     
  5. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    here's something a bit twisted.....

    With the current rate of incarceration amongst the male african-american community,
    and how certainly laws are balanced against them*, one day I see that the number of black men
    who can vote will be so low that their demographic is discounted all together.

    *I read that 90% of the people caught with powder cocaine are white
    and 90% of the people caught with rock cocain (crack) are black.
    The amount of crack needed to get a trafficing charge is something
    like 1 tenth of the amount of powder cocaine. Simply... some drug laws
    are swayed to be more harsh on certain members of society.
    (read as: the system will fuck the black man and forgive the white man)

    sorry about the drug talk but I'm using it as a strictly legal example.
     
  6. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 12, 2002 Messages: 7,042 Likes Received: 2
    I'm gonna take the optimistic approach. I really think there is going to be a huge surge of first time voters. The republicans are way too overconfident on counting out the slacker uprising.
     
  7. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    <-------------------Mad Stressed.
     
  8. fermentor666

    fermentor666 Veteran Member

    Joined: Sep 27, 2003 Messages: 8,152 Likes Received: 15
    Check out dailykos and you can read up on the amazingly large amount of voter supression the GOP is attempting and in some cases succeeding in doing. This makes me ripshit angry and I feel like chucking my monitor through the window every time I read about. If Bush wins this will probably be the reason why, and I hope that this country has the balls to drag him out of the White House and lynch him in the streets along with all his puppetmasters.
     
  9. I'm fucking nervous as hell.

    Over here we're close to re-electing one of the most corrupt governors the island has ever seen, and I honestly don't really care about it as much as I care about the US election. Whoever we elect, it'll be more of the same... I don't feel the same thing is going to happen in the US.
     
  10. KING BLING

    KING BLING Guest

    This made me feel good...
     
  11. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    this is a rare instance that i'd be glad that two lawyers are running ofr office.
    i can only hope that this time, the democrats won't roll over and get asstorn by an "appointed president"
     
  12. CIPHER_one

    CIPHER_one Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 3, 2000 Messages: 2,300 Likes Received: 0
    has anyone voted early? I'm gettin up early to do it before class..
     
  13. porque

    porque Senior Member

    Joined: May 5, 2002 Messages: 1,844 Likes Received: 0
    ...i doubt we'll have an answer by tommorow night...it will probably take days...i have this feeling that i'm going to be waiting at the polls for hours tommorow...so many people are going to turn out to vote...
     
  14. fatalist

    fatalist Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Mar 10, 2004 Messages: 6,354 Likes Received: 25
    PEEP THIS...LETTER FROM MICHAEL MOORE:
    IF YOU HAVE TIME TO READ THIS LONG ASS BOOK

    To Decent Conservatives and Recovering Republicans:

    In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure. From having no plan on what to do in Iraq once he conquered Baghdad to the 380 missing tons of explosives that could be used to kill our brave young men and women, this guy doesn’t have a clue how to fight and win a war. You should see the mail I’ve been getting lately from our troops over there. They know how much the Iraqi people hate them. They are sitting ducks anytime they go out on the road. Many believe we are not that far away from a Tet-style offensive inside the Green Zone with hundreds of Americans and Brits killed.
    Bush refused to go after and capture Osama bin Laden. He fought, every step of the way, the investigation into the 9/11 attacks. Who on earth would oppose such a thing? If 3,000 people died at your place of work and your boss said we don’t need to find out why or how it happened, he’d be thrown out on his ear. Bush’s behavior after this great tragedy alone is reason enough for his removal.
    You already know that George W. Bush is the farthest thing from a conservative. He’s a reckless spender who has run up record-breaking deficits and the biggest debt in our history. He believes in having the government pry into everything from your library records to your bedroom. He has hit you with hidden taxes with his tax cuts for the rich.
    I know many of you don’t like Bush, but are unsure of Kerry. Give the new guy a chance. He won’t raise your taxes (unless you are super-rich), he won’t take your hunting gun away, and he won’t make you visit France. He risked his life for you many years ago. He’s asking for the chance to do it again. Scott McConnell at The American Conservative magazine has endorsed him. What more do you need?

    To My Friends on the Left:

    Okay, Kerry isn’t everything you wished he would be. You’re right. He’s not you! Or me. But we’re not on the ballot – Kerry is. Yes, Kerry was wrong to vote for authorization for war in Iraq but he was in step with 70% of the American public who was being lied to by Bush & Co. And once everyone learned the truth, the majority turned against the war. Kerry has had only one position on the war – he believed his president.
    President Kerry had better bring the troops home right away. My prediction: Kerry’s roots are anti-war. He has seen the horrors of war and because of that he will avoid war unless it is absolutely necessary. Ask most vets. But don’t ask someone whose only horror was when he arrived too late for a kegger in Alabama.
    There’s a reason Bush calls Kerry the Number One Liberal in the Senate – THAT’S BECAUSE HE IS THE NUMBER ONE LIBERAL IN THE SENATE! What more do you want? My friends, this is about as good as it gets when voting for the Democrat. We don’t have the #29 Liberal running or the #14 Liberal or even the #2 Liberal – we got #1! When has that ever happened?
    Those of us who may be to the left of the #1 liberal Democrat should remember that this year conservative Democrats have had to make a far greater shift in their position to back Kerry than we have. We’re the ones always being asked to make the huge compromises and to always vote holding our noses. No nose holding this time. This #1 liberal is not the tweedledee to Bush’s tweedledum.

    To Nader Voters:

    See the above note.
    Ralph’s own party, the Green Party, would not endorse his run this year. That’s because those of us who want to build a third party in this country know that the only way to do this is to build bridges with those who believe in the issues Nader believes in. But not one of those people will sacrifice the chance to remove George W. Bush from the White House on Tuesday. The choice here is clear: do we join with our friends, or do we piss on them?
    After the debacle of 2000, the Democrats got smart and abandoned the conservative wing of their party. That’s why 8 of the 9 Democrats in the primaries this year were from the liberal wing. Ralph should take credit for that and declare victory. It’s so sad that he doesn’t realize the good he’s accomplished. But for reasons only known to him, he’s more angry at the Democrats than he is at Bush. He has lost his compass. I worry he has lost his mind. But he still gives a great speech!
    And Lila Lipscomb, the mother from Flint who lost her son in Iraq, she still grieves -- as do the mothers of 1,120 others (not to mention the mothers of the 100,000 Iraqis who have died because of Bush’s war). That’s what this election is about. Not Ralph proving some point. Almost none of us on his 2000 advisory group are supporting him this year. His total lack of respect for his best friends should tell all of you something about what he really thinks of you, too.

    To the Non-Swing States:

    Stop listening to how your vote doesn’t count in this election and that your state is already decided for Kerry or Bush. It is critical that you vote because we not only need to give Kerry the electoral win, but he needs to have a HUGE mandate with an ENORMOUS popular vote victory as well. It will be impossible for him to get anything done for four years if there is no clear mandate. We must not only defeat Bush, we must put a stake in the heart of the right-wing, neo-con movement. If you live in New York, California, Illinois, Texas, the Northeast or the Deep South, you need to vote and you need to bring ten people with you to the polls. If you live in a state where we have the chance to elect the Democrat to the Senate or the House, you need to vote. Turn off the TV. Quit listening to news media that has a vested interest in repeating to you over and over that your vote does not count. It does.
    If you have friends or relatives who live in the 30-plus non-swing states, call them and remind them how important it is that Kerry gets a massive popular vote victory.

    To Non-Voters:

    I understand why you stopped voting. Politicians suck. Nothing ever seems to change. You’re only one vote.
    Yes, politicians suck. But so do car salesmen – and that hasn’t stopped you from buying a car. Politicians only respond to the threat of the angry mob also known as the voting public. If most people don’t vote, that’s good news for them ‘cause then they don’t have to answer to the majority.
    Almost fifty percent of Americans don’t vote. That means you belong to the largest political party in America – the Non-Voting Party. That means you hold all the power to toss George W. Bush out of the Oval Office. How cool is that?
    I believe that we are going to have the largest election turnout in our lifetime tomorrow. You don’t want to miss out on that. The lines at the polls are going to be long and raucous and fun. It is an historic election. You won’t want to say that you were the only one who wasn’t there. Promise me you’ll vote, just this one time.

    To All First-Time Voters:

    Welcome to the longest running, uninterrupted democracy on earth! You own it. It’s yours.
    A few words about how messy it’s going to be tomorrow. The lines are going to be long. Bring your iPods. Better yet, bring a friend or two. The election officials have no clue just how many millions are going to show up at the polls. This will be the largest turnout in our lifetime. They don’t have enough machines. They are going to have to send for more ballots.
    And they are going to make it difficult for you to vote. The new law says if this is your first time voting you must bring ID with you that matches the address you are registered at.
    If for some reason they can’t find your name on the voting rolls, you have the right to ask for a provisional ballot, which you can fill out and then sort things out later.
    If you have any problems at the polling place, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE. The people there can tell you how to find the precinct where you should be voting, get you legal help if you are denied the right to vote, or answer any other questions you may have.
    If you need any help figuring out the ballot, don’t be afraid to ask. If you screw up your ballot, you can ask for another one. In fact, the law allows you to screw up your ballot two times before you finally have to submit your final ballot! Be careful to vote on the line that says John F. Kerry/John Edwards. Don’t vote for more than one Presidential, Senate or House candidate or you ballot won’t be counted. If your polling place has a stub or a receipt from your ballot, make sure they give you one.
    Thanks for joining us. Democracy is not a spectator sport. It only works when we all come off the bench and participate.

    To African Americans:

    First of all, let’s just acknowledge what you already know: America is a country which still has a race problem, to put it nicely. Al Gore would be president today had thousands of African Americans not had their right to vote stolen from them in Florida in 2000.
    Here is my commitment: I will do everything I can to make sure that this will not happen again. And I’m not the only one making this pledge. Thousands of volunteer lawyers are flying to Florida to act as poll watchers and intervene should there be any attempts to deny anyone their right to vote. They will NOT be messing around.
    For my part, I have organized an army of 1,200 professional and amateur filmmakers who will be armed with video cameras throughout the states of Florida and Ohio. At the first sign of criminality, we will dispatch a camera crew to where the vote fraud is taking place and record what is going on. We will put a big public spotlight on any wrongdoing by Republican officials in those two states. They will not get away with this as they did in 2000.
    In Ohio, the Republicans are sending almost 2,000 paid “poll challengers” into the black precincts of Cleveland in an attempt to stop African Americans from voting. This action is beyond despicable. Do not let this stop you from voting. I, and thousand of others, will be there to fight for you and protect you.

    To George W.:

    I know it’s gotta be rough for you right now. Hey, we’ve all been there. “You’re fired” are two horrible words when put together in that order. Bin Laden surfacing this weekend to remind the American people of your total and complete failure to capture him was a cruel trick or treat. But there he was. 3,000 people were killed and he’s laughing in your face. Why did you stop our Special Forces from going after him? Why did you forget about bin Laden on the DAY AFTER 9/11 and tell your terrorism czar to concentrate on Iraq instead?
    There he was, OBL, all tan and rested and on videotape (hey, did you get the feeling that he had a bootleg of my movie? Are there DVD players in those caves in Afghanistan?)
    Speaking of my movie – can I ask you a personal question before we part ways for good on Tuesday? Why did you and your friends fund SIX “documentaries” trashing me -- but only ONE film against Kerry? C’mon, he was the candidate, not me. What a waste of your time and resources! Sure, I know what your pollsters told you, that the film had convinced some people to vote you out. I just want you to know that that was not my original intent. Funny things happen at the movies. Hope you get to see a few at the multiplex in Waco. It’s a great way to relax.

    To John Kerry:

    Thank you.
    And don’t worry – none of us are going away after you are inaugurated. We’ll be there to hold your hand and keep you honest. Don’t let us down. We’re betting you won’t. So is the rest of the world.

    That’s it. See you at the polls – and at the victory party tomorrow night.

    Yours,
    Michael Moore
    www.michaelmoore.com
    [email protected]
     
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