SIPPINJUICE Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 The supreme court passed a ruling saying that you gotta say your first and last name to a cop now. And if you dont you can be arrested. Im too lazy to find an article but i just saw this on ABC news with Peter Jennings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why write? Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 FUCK THIS GOV'T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverTrublsum Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 what the fuck? someone gotta read up on that shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeaaaah baby Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 fuck. that is so wack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightTheBuff Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Originally posted by why write? FUCK THIS GOV'T word. fuck all this bullshit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyLazy Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Originally posted by SIPPINJUICE The supreme court passed a ruling saying that you gotta say your first and last name to a cop now. And if you dont you can be arrested. I don't gotta do nothing! aww man, I'm screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarzAbove Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 wow wat a dumbass law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIPPINJUICE Posted June 22, 2004 Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 Monday, June 21, 2004 6:36 p.m. ET By James Vicini WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People stopped by the police must give their names, a divided U.S. Supreme Court said on Monday, ruling that it did not violate their constitutional right to privacy or to remain silent. By a 5-4 vote, the high court upheld a Nevada law that requires detained individuals to identify themselves when asked to do so by the police, based on reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. Twenty other states have similar laws. The ruling was a victory for the U.S. Justice Department and state officials who said forced identification represented a "minimal" intrusion on privacy rights, helped solve crimes and contributed to police and public safety. The case involved Larry Hiibel, who was convicted of resisting an officer after refusing 11 times to give his name when Sheriff's Deputy Lee Dove questioned him on May 21, 2000, as he stood beside his parked truck in Humboldt County. Based on a report from a witness, Hiibel was suspected of hitting his daughter, who was inside the truck. Hiibel also was suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, based on his eyes, mannerisms, speech and the smell of alcohol. Hiibel told Dove he would cooperate, but refused to give his name because he said he did not believe he had done anything wrong. He was arrested, found guilty of the misdemeanor offense of resisting an officer and fined $250. Hiibel appealed his conviction and argued that his constitutional rights protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures and against self-incrimination had been violated. But the Nevada Supreme Court upheld his conviction, ruled the law passed constitutional muster and said forced identification was a minimal intrusion outweighed by the government's interest in police safety. LIBERAL JUSTICES DISSENT The Supreme Court, in a ruling by Justice Anthony Kennedy, upheld that decision and said the officer's conduct did not violate Hiibel's constitutional rights. Kennedy said state stop-and-identify laws often combine elements of traditional vagrancy laws with provisions intended to regulate police behavior during the course of investigatory stops. States with similar laws are Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin, he said. Kennedy said the Nevada law only required that a suspect disclose his or her name. It does not require the suspect to produce a driver's license or any other document. Nevada State Public Defender Steven McGuire, one of the lawyers who represented Hiibel, expressed disappointment at the ruling. "A Nevada cowboy courageously fought for his right to be left alone, but lost. We believe the court's holding erodes the belief in the right to privacy cherished by so many Americans," he said. The court's liberal members, Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, dissented. Stevens said that a person's identity could be incriminating. "A name can provide the key to a broad array of information about the person, particularly in the hands of a police officer with access to a range of law enforcement databases," he said. Stevens said such information "can be tremendously useful in a criminal prosecution." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
route127 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 HALT, CITIZEN! STATE YOUR NAME AND IDENTIFICATION NUMBER! soon they'll just have to scan the bar codes on our fucking foreheads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 ...you have to give them your name...but it doesn't have to be YOUR name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 But if it's someone elses identity theft is a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AORAone Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 based on reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. ^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3 Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 You guys crack me up. You want the protection of the law while you're breaking it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIPPINJUICE Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 ummmm, yeah. Or do you think we dont deserve rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I'm fortunate enough not to live in the USA... Although our PM is in the sack with Bush and busily attempting to remove our rights... At least we don't have crazy shit like the Patriot Act on our list of laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gates Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 fuck that law it's bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holycrapRUN Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Originally posted by X3 You guys crack me up. You want the protection of the law while you're breaking it ... He's got a pretty damn good point guys. You cant pick and choose which laws you like and which you dont. Move to China and try to bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIPPINJUICE Posted June 25, 2004 Author Share Posted June 25, 2004 its about privacy. do yuo want your name in a police file for being in the area of a crime? dont you think you have the right to remain anonymous?...and holycraprun, this is america and even criminals deserve to be protected by the law. Especialy petty criminals. Diddnt you ever hear of Rodney King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Originally posted by SIPPINJUICE its about privacy. do yuo want your name in a police file for being in the area of a crime? dont you think you have the right to remain anonymous?...and holycraprun, this is america and even criminals deserve to be protected by the law. Especialy petty criminals. Diddnt you ever hear of Rodney King. "Criminals" deserve due process, not "protection" if protection means lying about your name. With freedom comes responsibility, otherwise you have no laws. You're talking about a fucking name. You have to give your name. So the fuck what? They still have to prove the case. It's still all part of the game. How about this? -- don't get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIPPINJUICE Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erie on fire Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Originally posted by SIPPINJUICE Monday, June 21, 2004 6:36 p.m. ET By James Vicini States with similar laws are bama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin. anybody heard or encounter anything like this? sounds fuct up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWX1994 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Originally posted by porque ...you have to give them your name...but it doesn't have to be YOUR name... you have to give them a name..yeah i can dig it. my boy and i were gettign kicked out of this yard once for tresspassing and the cop asked us for our names. of course i gave him a fake name but my boy told him his name was erick sermon. i had to bite a damn hole in my lip to keep from busting out laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤¤FoRGE²¤¤ Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 is this before or after your gettin picked up for a crime either way you have the right to remain silent until your at the station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Priest Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 Originally posted by X3 "Criminals" deserve due process, not "protection" if protection means lying about your name. With freedom comes responsibility, otherwise you have no laws. You're talking about a fucking name. You have to give your name. So the fuck what? They still have to prove the case. It's still all part of the game. How about this? -- don't get caught. :D He's right about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwibxonex Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 as far as i know you've always been required to give them personal information such as name etc...... whether during a routine stop or before going to booking etc.. if you dont give your name when they ask for it.. what are they going to think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤¤FoRGE²¤¤ Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 "In most states, you are not required to identify yourself" check the "guidelines to sayin NO to......." thread that should answer every question anybodys got about bein check for id or frisked..:idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.brick Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 OH CANADA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyLazy Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Originally posted by X3 "Criminals" deserve due process, not "protection" if protection means lying about your name. With freedom comes responsibility, otherwise you have no laws. You're talking about a fucking name. You have to give your name. So the fuck what? They still have to prove the case. It's still all part of the game. How about this? -- don't get caught. Indeed. If I get caught, then that's my own damn fault. I'll take responsibility for my actions. It's all part of being part of a society. Granted, punishments for graffiti is extremely harsh and, for the most part, stupid. But hey, we know it's against the law going into the game in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Feets Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 States with similar laws are bama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin. I am safe. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIPPINJUICE Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 I was thinkin it would suck to be somewhere a crime happened and the cops stopped you and got your name. Cause then they got you on a list and you could get fucked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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