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Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by SIPPINJUICE, Jun 21, 2004.

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    SIPPINJUICE Junior Member

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    The supreme court passed a ruling saying that you gotta say your first and last name to a cop now. And if you dont you can be arrested. Im too lazy to find an article but i just saw this on ABC news with Peter Jennings.
  2. why write?

    why write? Veteran Member

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  3. EverTrublsum

    EverTrublsum New Jack

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    what the fuck? someone gotta read up on that shit
  4. yeaaaah baby

    yeaaaah baby Elite Member

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  5. FightTheBuff

    FightTheBuff Member

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    word. fuck all this bullshit!
  6. CrazyLazy

    CrazyLazy Senior Member

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    I don't gotta do nothing!

    aww man, I'm screwed.
  7. StarzAbove

    StarzAbove Veteran Member

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    wow wat a dumbass law

    SIPPINJUICE Junior Member

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    Monday, June 21, 2004 6:36 p.m. ET

    By James Vicini

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People stopped by the police must give their names, a divided U.S. Supreme Court said on Monday, ruling that it did not violate their constitutional right to privacy or to remain silent.
    By a 5-4 vote, the high court upheld a Nevada law that requires detained individuals to identify themselves when asked to do so by the police, based on reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. Twenty other states have similar laws.

    The ruling was a victory for the U.S. Justice Department and state officials who said forced identification represented a "minimal" intrusion on privacy rights, helped solve crimes and contributed to police and public safety.

    The case involved Larry Hiibel, who was convicted of resisting an officer after refusing 11 times to give his name when Sheriff's Deputy Lee Dove questioned him on May 21, 2000, as he stood beside his parked truck in Humboldt County.

    Based on a report from a witness, Hiibel was suspected of hitting his daughter, who was inside the truck. Hiibel also was suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, based on his eyes, mannerisms, speech and the smell of alcohol.

    Hiibel told Dove he would cooperate, but refused to give his name because he said he did not believe he had done anything wrong. He was arrested, found guilty of the misdemeanor offense of resisting an officer and fined $250.

    Hiibel appealed his conviction and argued that his constitutional rights protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures and against self-incrimination had been violated.

    But the Nevada Supreme Court upheld his conviction, ruled the law passed constitutional muster and said forced identification was a minimal intrusion outweighed by the government's interest in police safety.


    The Supreme Court, in a ruling by Justice Anthony Kennedy, upheld that decision and said the officer's conduct did not violate Hiibel's constitutional rights.

    Kennedy said state stop-and-identify laws often combine elements of traditional vagrancy laws with provisions intended to regulate police behavior during the course of investigatory stops.

    States with similar laws are Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin, he said.

    Kennedy said the Nevada law only required that a suspect disclose his or her name. It does not require the suspect to produce a driver's license or any other document.

    Nevada State Public Defender Steven McGuire, one of the lawyers who represented Hiibel, expressed disappointment at the ruling.

    "A Nevada cowboy courageously fought for his right to be left alone, but lost. We believe the court's holding erodes the belief in the right to privacy cherished by so many Americans," he said.

    The court's liberal members, Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, dissented.

    Stevens said that a person's identity could be incriminating. "A name can provide the key to a broad array of information about the person, particularly in the hands of a police officer with access to a range of law enforcement databases," he said.

    Stevens said such information "can be tremendously useful in a criminal prosecution."
  9. route127

    route127 New Jack

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    soon they'll just have to scan the bar codes on our fucking foreheads
  10. porque

    porque Senior Member

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    ...you have to give them your name...but it doesn't have to be YOUR name...
  11. ODS-1

    ODS-1 Elite Member

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    But if it's someone elses identity theft is a felony.
  12. AORAone

    AORAone Veteran Member

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  13. X3

    X3 Member

    Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Messages: 595 Likes Received: 7
    You guys crack me up. You want the protection of the law while you're breaking it ...

    SIPPINJUICE Junior Member

    Joined: Dec 9, 2003 Messages: 173 Likes Received: 0
    ummmm, yeah. Or do you think we dont deserve rights?
  15. Yorick

    Yorick New Jack

    Joined: Jun 5, 2004 Messages: 12 Likes Received: 0
    I'm fortunate enough not to live in the USA...

    Although our PM is in the sack with Bush and busily attempting to remove our rights... At least we don't have crazy shit like the Patriot Act on our list of laws.
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