non-hetero Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Aside from the obvious examples. I'm talking the western "civilized" world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze One Million Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 you dont get your pinky chopped off for sucking at graffiti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 do you mean what freedoms do you have in america that no other country has? otherwise its kinda hard to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-hetero Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Let's keep Canada out of this :) I'm Canadian by the way and I'm not really educated in this matter. I'm only raising this question because so many Americans feel pride in their freedom when so many other countries share those liberties without the... well you know, Americanism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze One Million Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 well we got the patriot act....thats freedom right??? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 there's speech... sort of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-hetero Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 : I think it's that America did draft a great constitution earlier than most countries. Times have changed but the attitude is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-hetero Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 'Bitches' can go topless throughout Ontario. I'm not sure about the rest of Canada but I know European countries are a lot easier about sexuality and an exposed breast would not create such a rediculous media frenzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by E MARTYR we can pop out bitches titties at special events during half time shows... what you got? we can replay it without fuzzy squares covering it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 ^^^ How do you say? ZING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Green Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i dont think alot of people really can define what freedom is.. post modern living.. as cheesy as this may sound... make more people completely retarded as to seeing in context what freedom is... most dipshits. (tease....ola) can account for such things. most spit the we are the global dominant power rhetoric. merry go round status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Screw Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by Al Green i dont think alot of people really can define what freedom is.. post modern living.. as cheesy as this may sound... make more people completely retarded as to seeing in context what freedom is... most dipshits. (tease....ola) can account for such things. please elaborate on this. you're saying because we live in a post modernist age, (which my definition of is all cultures, periods etc are all are equal) people are more confused as to what freedom is because they see 'real freedom' and would rather choose not being free? sort of like in the first matrix film~the guy who wants to carry on living in the matrix because the real world is so shit? what freedoms does america have? lets see... ~all records of everything you do ever (where you shop,what you buy, what books you take @library, your job, what websites you visit countless other stuff) are stored on some huge database ~in order to weed out all the 'terrorists' everyone's profile is on some database ~cctv follows you everywhere not much freedom it seems. same in the uk, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Screw Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 yeh big brother indeed. we love him really, don't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 http://www.dailykos.com/images/macleans.jpg'> Macleans is the Canadian equivalent of Time Magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 'HOPE YOU LOSE, EH'!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats hillarious. this idea of america being the 'freest' country on earth, flat out, unequivecally, is a crock of shit. just about any of the scandanavian countries rival, if not surpass us in freedom, and most certainly equality in standard of living. unless one of you canadians can provide an example otherwise, ive never heard of a single freedom we have that you dont, and infact can think of more on your side. 'free speech'?!?! again, a complete crock of shit. yes, for the most part, people can say whatever they want, but its not cause we're 'free', it's because no one cares, so the government can allow us such 'freedoms'. anytime someone has something important to say, it gets censored as being a matter of 'national security'. how is that free speech? yeah, i can say 'the government is lying to us', but all im doing is pissing into the wind, so who cares? i'd rather NOT be able to say it, atleast then the borders would be clearly defined as what they truly are. i think an easier question would be 'what freedoms DONT other countries have, that we do. pick any major western civilization, and i think you're going to be hard pressed to come up with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 In case anyone's interested, here's a link to the Second World Press Freedom rankings. (Scroll down a bit). Copied and pasted: N° Country Note 1 Finland 0,50 - Iceland 0,50 - Netherlands 0,50 - Norway 0,50 5 Denmark 1,00 - Trinidad and Tobago 1,00 7 Belgium 1,17 8 Germany 1,33 9 Sweden 1,50 10 Canada 1,83 11 Latvia 2,25 12 Czech Republic 2,50 - Estonia 2,50 - Slovakia 2,50 - Switzerland 2,50 16 Austria 2,75 17 Ireland 2,83 - Lithuania 2,83 - New Zealand 2,83 20 Slovenia 3,00 21 Hungary 3,33 - Jamaica 3,33 - South Africa 3,33 24 Costa Rica 3,83 25 Uruguay 4,00 26 France 4,17 27 United Kingdom 4,25 28 Portugal 5,17 29 Benin 5,25 30 Timor-Leste 5,50 31 Greece 6,00 - United States of America (American territory) 6,00 33 Poland 6,17 34 Albania 6,50 - Bulgaria 6,50 - Nicaragua 6,50 37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 6,83 - Chile 6,83 - El Salvador 6,83 40 Paraguay 7,17 41 Mauritius 7,25 42 Ecuador 7,67 - Spain 7,67 44 Israel (Israeli territory) 8,00 - Japan 8,00 46 Madagascar 8,17 47 Cape Verde 8,25 48 Ghana 8,75 49 South Korea 9,17 50 Australia 9,25 51 Bolivia 9,67 - Macedonia 9,67 53 Italy 9,75 - Panama 9,75 55 Peru 10,25 56 Hong-Kong 11,00 - Mali 11,00 - Namibia 11,00 59 Fiji 11,50 - Romania 11,50 61 Taïwan 12,00 62 Botswana 13,00 63 Congo 14,00 - Mozambique 14,00 65 Honduras 14,17 66 Senegal 14,50 67 Argentina 15,17 68 Niger 15,75 69 Croatia 16,50 - Tanzania 16,50 71 Brazil 16,75 72 Dominican Republic 17,00 73 Georgia 17,33 74 Mexico 17,67 75 Lesotho 17,75 76 Burkina Faso 18,00 77 Gambia 18,25 - Mongolia 18,25 79 Comoros 18,50 - Kenya 18,50 81 Cambodia 19,50 82 Thailand 19,67 83 Cyprus 20,83 84 Malawi 21,00 85 Serbia and Montenegro 21,33 86 Zambia 23,25 87 Sierra Leone 23,50 88 Chad 24,00 89 Sri Lanka 24,83 90 Armenia 25,17 91 Uganda 25,75 92 Burundi 26,25 93 Seychelles 26,75 94 Moldova 27,00 95 Togo 27,50 96 Venezuela 27,83 97 Angola 28,00 98 Cameroon 30,50 99 Guatemala 30,83 100 Haiti 31,00 101 Gabon 31,25 102 Kuwait 31,33 103 Nigeria 31,50 104 Kyrgyzstan 32,00 - Malaysia 32,00 106 Lebanon 32,50 107 Central African Republic 32,75 108 Algeria 33,00 109 Guinea 33,17 110 Egypt 34,25 - Indonesia 34,25 - Rwanda 34,25 113 Azerbaijan 34,50 - Tajikistan 34,50 115 Qatar 35,00 - Turkey 35,00 117 Bahrain 35,17 118 Guinea-Bissau 35,25 - Philippines 35,25 120 Djibouti 35,50 121 Mauritania 36,67 122 United Arab Emirates 37,00 - Jordan 37,00 124 Ethiopia 37,50 - Iraq 37,50 - Swaziland 37,50 127 Democratic Republic of Congo 38,50 128 India 39,00 - Pakistan 39,00 130 Palestinian Authority 39,25 131 Morocco 39,67 132 Liberia 40,00 - Ukraine 40,00 134 Afghanistan 40,17 135 United States of America (in Iraq) 41,00 136 Yemen 41,83 137 Côte d'Ivoire 42,17 138 Kazakhstan 42,50 139 Equatorial Guinea 44,75 140 Somalia 45,00 141 Zimbabwe 45,50 142 Sudan 45,75 143 Bangladesh 46,50 144 Singapore 47,33 145 Maldives 47,50 146 Israel (Occupied Territories) 49,00 147 Colombia 49,17 148 Russia 49,50 149 Tunisia 50,83 150 Nepal 51,50 151 Belarus 52,00 152 Oman 57,75 153 Libya 60,00 154 Uzbekistan 61,50 155 Syria 67,50 156 Saudi Arabia 71,50 157 Bhutan 77,33 158 Turkmenistan 82,83 159 Vietnam 89,17 160 Iran 89,33 161 China 91,25 162 Eritrea 91,50 163 Laos 94,83 164 Burma 95,50 165 Cuba 97,83 166 North Korea 99,50 How the ranking was compiled This ranking measures the state of press freedom in the world. It reflects the degree of freedom that journalists and news organisations enjoy in each country, and the efforts undertaken by the state to respect and ensure respect for this freedom. It is a snapshot of the situation in a precise period. It only takes account of events between 1 September 2002 and 1 September 2003. It does not look at human rights violations in general, just press freedom violations. To compile this ranking, Reporters Without Borders designed a questionnaire with 53 criteria for assessing the state of press freedom in each country. It includes every kind of violation directly affecting journalists (such as murders, imprisonment, physical attacks and threats) and news media (censorship, confiscation of issues, searches and harassment). It registers the degree of impunity enjoyed by those responsible for these press freedom violations. It takes account of the legal and judicial situation affecting the news media (such as the penalties for press offences, the existence of a state monopoly in certain areas and the existence of a regulatory body) and the behaviour of the authorities towards the state-owned news media and international press. It also takes account of the main obstacles to the free flow of information on the Internet. Reporters Without Borders has taken account not only of abuses attributable to the state, but also those by armed militia, clandestine organisations or pressure groups that can pose a real threat to press freedom. The questionnaire was sent to people who have a deep knowledge of the state of press freedom in a country or a number of countries: local journalists or foreign reporters based in a country, researchers, jurists, regional specialists and the researchers working for Reporters Without Borders' International Secretariat. The countries that were ranked are those for which Reporters Without Borders received completed questionnaires from a number of independent sources. Others were not included because of a lack of reliable, well-supported input. In cases of ties, countries were ranked by alphabetical order. Finally, in no case should this ranking be viewed as an indication of the quality of the press in the countries concerned. Reporters Without Borders defends press freedom, without taking a position on the quality of the editorial content of the news media. No account was taken of any breaches of professional ethics or codes of conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Screw Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by Poop Man Bob 27 United Kingdom 4,25 28 Portugal 5,17 29 Benin 5,25 30 Timor-Leste 5,50 31 Greece 6,00 - United States of America (American territory) 6,00 OH YEAH!!!!!!!! good post PMB. how the hell did you find that? are you a journalist or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr430n5_666 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 http://www.kak.ru/images/archive/11-12/posmodern/la23.jpg'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by E MARTYR bobby- did i fuck your sister or something? you sure have been fond of drinking the haterade, then looking in my direction. please, give me 50 feet. *dusts shoulders off* what's so outrageous about him thinking you're a dipshit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 you can do what you want here until you get caught for it. for some of us it may or may not take longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 There's not really any more freedom here than in other places in the world... just more money to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I dont really think that freedom of speech is that limited in the US, but I do believe that special interest groups are the force that censors what people say. Let's say that Bill Nye the Science Guy was to talk about evolution. That's perfectly fine untill the bible belt creationists lobby the network and the sponsors untill Bill is removed from the air. That's why so many freedoms are 'bought' in the US. You can say whatever you want (except for the Patriot Act issue) but if you dont represent the largest target group of consumers... expect someone to shut your ass up quick fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by BASF good post PMB. how the hell did you find that? are you a journalist or something? Naw, I just knew the list existed and used Google. * I can't spell for siht. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Originally posted by Kilo7- You can say whatever you want (except for the Patriot Act issue) but if you dont represent the largest target group of consumers... expect someone to shut your ass up quick fast. exactly. the 'freedom' to stand in your back yard and shout at the moon, isn't much of a freedom. and in fact, by allowing us the 'freedom' of speech, it lessens the value of the words we say. in china, or north korea, every word counts and when people speak they're listened to. in america, you could be jesus christ standing on the street corner preaching the salvation of mankind, and someone would just mug you. if you have 100 people in a room who all have the 'right' to speak, you cant hear anyone. but if only one person is talking, you can hear (and rationally judge) what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 ^yes. (skip above tease's post) the biggest 'problem' with american free speech is that only the loudest voice gets heard in most cases. You can try to deliver a message but if someone else is going to yell 'shut up' though a megaphone, no one will hear you. And then to create more 'volume', people add razzle dazzle, tits and neon lights to the message untill no one can even focus on the original message anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i should prove the falicy of 'free speech' by banning tease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 If tease made and paid for his own site... he could say whatever the hell he wants and be protected by the Constitution. (unless he gives out DVD burning codes or talks about making dirty bombs) However in a private (owned) place like 12oz, there's really no free speach anyways. I cant stand it when someone balks about free speach in places where it doesnt apply. Last summer some american tourist was swearing very loudly in a restaurant here and the server asked him to please respect the other patron's right to a quite meal. He flipped and started spouting all this shit about 'freedom of speech'... in another country! And the concept of 'house rules' was such a foreign concept to him it made my brain hurt. retards on tour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANIK DEK Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 we wont have freedom till we have anarchy:dazed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enueone Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 technically we have freedom but there are so many laws and opposition forces against us that we really don't... and the american government is more like a corporation catering to private interests rather than the general interests of the public... but you knew that already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enueone Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 technically we have freedom but there are so many laws and opposition forces against us that we really don't... and the american government is more like a corporation catering to private interests rather than the general interests of the public... but you knew that already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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