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well there is a genocide

Discussion in 'News' started by chivita, Jul 23, 2005.

  1. chivita

    chivita New Jack

    Joined: Oct 25, 2004 Messages: 83 Likes Received: 0
    well we are fighting in irak and really i don't know what the fuck for ?

    man is it for oil? to free them irak folks from the evil dictator?

    man but people are being killed just cause their black .

    black saudi arabians are being killed by these "janjaweed" which translate to " men on horseback" but with fucken GUNS :yuck:
    and go rape the women and little girls . they burn their little huts and their entire villages and then chase their asses like some kind of fucken game !! shit and then i crak up when these "human rights watch" people say the children are dramatize no fuck you dam idiots, what kid wouldn't after seeing their mama and sister being raped and their father shot dead and then they chase your ass on horse and keep shottin at you?what the hell ...........man somethin has to be done but i have no idea what do ya'll think?

    (New York, August 27, 2004) — The government of Sudan is permitting abusive Janjaweed militia to maintain at least 16 camps in the western region of Darfur, Human Rights Watch said today. The U.N. Security Council set a deadline of Monday, August 30, for Khartoum to comply with its commitments to stop atrocities in Darfur.

    Despite repeated government pledges to neutralize and disarm the Janjaweed, Human Rights Watch investigators in West and North Darfur were able to gather information on the militias’ extensive network of bases. Human Rights Watch said the U.N. Security Council must impose sanctions on Sudanese government officials for their failure to disarm and neutralize the Janjaweed militia, including those in the militia camps.

    The Human Rights Watch mission to investigate recent abuses returned from Darfur on August 19.

    “Throughout the time Khartoum was supposedly reining in the Janjaweed, these camps have been operating in plain sight,” said Peter Takirambudde, executive director of the Africa division of Human Rights Watch. “These Janjaweed camps should be immediately investigated by the U.N. and the African Union ceasefire monitors, then disbanded.”

    Human Rights Watch said that any militia members found in the camps should be investigated for war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing.

    Five of the 16 camps, according to witnesses, are camps the Janjaweed share with the Sudanese government army. Even more ominous, the Sudanese government has incorporated members of the Janjaweed militia and its leaders into the police and the Sudanese army, including Islamist militia the Popular Defense Forces (PDF), which is under army jurisdiction.

    The Sudanese government has disclaimed responsibility for arming the Arab nomadic ethnic groups in Darfur to fight against the two largely African rebel groups there. Khartoum denies responsibility for the actions of these ethnic militias that are known by their victims as “Janjaweed.” As Human Rights Watch has documented thoroughly, the Sudanese government has armed, recruited and supported the Janjaweed militias that have participated with government forces and government aircraft in campaigns attacking civilians and villages in Darfur since early 2003. These attacks constitute crimes against humanity and “ethnic cleansing.”

    Human Rights Watch said the United States and other countries with satellite capacity should make available past and present satellite photographs of the locations of these Janjaweed camps to confirm their existence, and to search for other such militia installations.

    “If the United Nations is serious about seeing the Janjaweed disarmed, they’ve got to know where these militias are based,” said Takirambudde. “Janjaweed and government forces take over villages they’ve driven people out of and from those bases continue their looting and killing.”

    Human Rights Watch called on the U.N. Security Council to mandate the African Union to protect civilians in Darfur, consistent with the African Union Peace and Security Council’s July 27, 2004 Communiqué. The African Union has already fielded 100 ceasefire monitors pursuant to a ceasefire agreement signed in N’djamena, Chad on April 8 between the government and the two rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM).

    Human Rights Watch said that, as a logical part of their duties under the ceasefire agreement of April 8, the African Union ceasefire monitors should list the names and ranks of all individuals in those camps, and catalogue the weapons and other war materiel such as vehicles. This should form the basis for verifying that none of the individuals listed participates in any government law enforcement or other job in the future, and that the weapons are not used again.

    Despite its many pledges to disarm the militia, the government has produced no list of Janjaweed militia who have been disarmed or serial numbers of confiscated weapons, for verification by the African Union ceasefire monitors or others, including U.N. officials.

    Human Rights Watch urged the U.N. Security Council, which on July 30 set a deadline of 30 days for the Sudanese government to comply with its commitments, to impose sanctions on government officials for failure to disarm and neutralize the Janjaweed militias.

    “The existence of these Janjaweed camps shows clearly that Khartoum is not at all serious about ending atrocities and providing security,” said Takirambudde. “The fact that there are still armed camps filled with killers terrorizing civilians in Darfur makes it impossible for people to go home.”

    In its Resolution 1556, article 6, the Security Council “demands that the Government of Sudan fulfill its commitments to disarm the Janjaweed militias and apprehend and bring to justice Janjaweed leaders and their associates who have incited and carried out human rights and international humanitarian law violations and other atrocities.” (U.N. Security Council Resolution 1556, July 30, 2004)

    “Real, targeted sanctions will bring home to Khartoum that the world will not let their ethnic cleansing in Darfur stand,” said Takirambudde.

    Human Rights Watch said that the possible sanctions for the Security Council to consider include a Security Council arms embargo on sale or trade of weapons to the Sudanese government and an embargo on all oil transactions with Sudan.

    The Sudanese government promised in four separate agreements outlined below in the past four months to “neutralize” and disarm the Janjaweed, but the Janjaweed camps described to Human Rights Watch apparently have not been touched. All were set up in the last 14 months since the armed conflict in Darfur began, the earliest in June 2003.

    The heavily-armed camps, as described by witnesses, include three that were allegedly opened as late as July 2004, after the July 3 date when Sudanese President Omar El Bashir promised U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in a joint communiqué to “immediately start to disarm the Janjaweed and other armed outlaw groups.” These camps appear to have been established in the wake of the government offensive in South Darfur in June that violated the ceasefire agreement of April 8, 2004.

    Several of the Janjaweed bases are located within kilometers of internally displaced persons (IDP) camps, such as those at Masry, Kutum and Um Sayala in North Darfur, and near Nyala in South Darfur. The displaced in government IDP camps have been targeted by Janjaweed and government soldiers for further rape, robbery, extortion and killings, according to testimonies of displaced persons. Human Rights Watch said that measures under discussion for protection of civilians contemplate identifying “safe areas,” to be secured by Sudan police forces that include members of the Janjaweed militias who may have been responsible for crimes against humanity now redeployed to protect the same civilians they forcibly and violently displaced. Real protection of civilians can only occur when the Janjaweed—believed to number some 20,000— are placed under guard instead of being used to guard more than one million internally displaced persons in 140 sites registered by the World Food Program.

    Human Rights Watch called for restitution for the victims of the Janjaweed-Sudanese government attacks and looting. A sequential study of satellite images should establish movements in and out of the camps of vast quantities of stolen property, including furniture, vehicles and livestock.

    “The livestock is many Darfurians’ livelihood,” said Takirambudde. “The theft and destruction of homes, furniture, vehicles, crops and livestock is absolutely devastating.”

    Human Rights Watch said that no militia, army or police force has any business possessing, trading or warehousing such goods. All items in each Janjaweed camp should be inventoried and preserved under neutral control, for eventual return to their rightful owners.


    Listed below are the 16 camps (camp names are given by victims and rebels). Human Rights Watch noted that the list is not exhaustive and refers mainly to camps in West and North Darfur.

    Other Janjaweed camps, not in the list below, that have been identified include Mistiriyah, the main base for Janjaweed militia leader Musa Hilal located outside Kebkabiya town, and new camps that have been established over the past three months, including at Saraf Omra in North Darfur; Mercoondi in South Darfur; and Um Dukhun, Buram, and Abugradil in West Darfur.

    Location: west of Serif Omra (also the location of an IDP camp), near Hashaba, on the road between Geneina and Kebkabiya, West Darfur
    Opened: June 2003
    Composition: Janjaweed commanders (very few fighters) and not less than 200 Sudanese government troops
    Name of Janjaweed commander: Ahmed Jeladi
    Structure: Houses and tents, airstrip for helicopter (only the Sudan government has helicopters and aircraft)
    Notable for: First Janjaweed camp opened; Janjaweed headquarters for all North Darfur (Darfur was previously divided into North and South Darfur, and this headquarters has jurisdiction over the old North Darfur, including most of an area that is now West Darfur)

    Location: 30 kilometers east of Geneina, between Geneina and Hashaba, West Darfur, in the mountains
    Opened: June 2003
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown
    Structure: airstrip for helicopter
    Notable for: Janjaweed headquarters for West Darfur; livestock stolen in North and West Darfur kept here. Most Janjaweed camps are provided with sheep from this location, and the sheep are sometimes transported by helicopter to other camps.

    Location: 85 kilometers northeast of Geneina, West Darfur
    Opened: September 2003
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown (this was the base of the now-deceased Janjaweed leader Shurkutallah)
    Structure: old village, civilians driven out

    Location: 10 kilometers west of Kutum (location of IDP camp), North Darfur
    Opened: November 2003
    Composition: Eighty Janjaweed; unknown number of Sudanese government and/or police
    Names of Janjaweed commanders: Omda Adam Abdel Jalli, Jedou Adam Abdel Nabi
    Structure: Tents

    Location: 7 kilometers southwest of Kutum (location of IDP camp), North Darfur
    Opened: August 2003
    Composition: Janjaweed and Sudanese government army troops, 500 altogether (majority Janjaweed)
    Names of Janjaweed commanders (three brothers): Abdel Jabar Abdallah Gibrin, Georgi Abdallah Gibrin, Hassan Abdallah Gibrin
    Structure: Old occupied village
    Equipment: Well equipped, all types of weapons

    MILLA (30 villages)
    Location: 75 kilometers northeast of Kebkabiya, North Darfur
    Composition: Janjaweed only, more than 300
    Name of Janjaweed commander: Abdul Wahid (retired government army soldier)
    Structure: occupied villages, civilians (Fur, Tunjur, Zaghawa) driven out
    Equipment: six vehicles

    UM SAYALA (Lumlum, Alku, Hilla Khater, El Haj Oulad Babay, Um Hamnoki villages) (Um Sayala is the location of an IDP camp)
    Location: 20 kilometers east of Kutum, 5 kilometers west of Um Hiaye, North Darfur
    Opened: late 2003
    Composition: Janjaweed and Sudanese government army troops together totaling 300
    Names of Janjaweed commanders: Yohanes Abdallah Jadallah (Itefat tribe), Illei Ahmed Taher (Jallul tribe), Abdelhazim Ibrahim Abdallah Jadallah (Itefat), Mohamad Saleh Ibrahim Abdallah
    Structure: occupied villages, civilians (Tunjur, Mima) driven out
    Notable for: More than one hundred villagers reportedly were killed when the camp was installed, sixty-nine in Lumlum alone.
    Note: visited by African Union ceasefire monitors on July 11, 2004 (the government of
    Sudan complained of an attack on their forces at Um Sayala on July 3, but the A.U. ceasefire monitors after investigation concluded that no such attack could be verified)

    Location: west of Kutum (location of IDP camp), West Darfur
    Opened: January 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed and Sudanese government army troops (separated by a wadi or seasonal riverbed)
    Numbers: The number of Janjaweed varies but never less than 200; Sudanese government troops, 300.
    Structures: No tents during the dry season, Janjaweed camp under the trees
    Equipment: well equipped, most types of weapons the Sudanese government possesses (sometime brought by helicopter)
    Notable for: Stolen livestock kept here

    Location: northeast of Mellit (east of Kutum; both locations of IDP camps), North Darfur
    Opened: January 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown but high rotation

    Location: 60 kilometers east of El Fasher, North Darfur
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown
    Structure: camp installed outside the village of Kuma

    Location: 60 kilometers south of Karnoi, West Darfur
    Opened: May 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, no less than 500
    Structure: Occupied farms (farmers cannot access their houses or fields)
    Equipment: many weapons and five vehicles provided by the Sudanese government

    Location: 75 kilometers south of Nyala, 3 kilometers north of Buram, South Darfur
    Opened: May 15, 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown
    Structure: occupied farm villages, civilians (Binga, Mima, Kretch, some Masalit) driven out
    Equipment: three or four cars and horses

    KURGUE (15 villages), extension of Funu camp
    Location: 85 kilometers west of Kutum, east of Funu camp, West Darfur
    Opened: June 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, about 200
    Structure: old occupied villages (well, mosque), civilians (Fur, Zaghawa, Tunjur) driven out
    Equipment: well equipped by Sudanese government; trucks, horses, and camels

    Location: east of Nyala, 40 kilometers west of Ed Da’ein, 5 kilometers north of an Sudanese government army base, South Darfur
    Opened: July 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed and Sudanese government army troops, numbers unknown
    Structure: airstrip for helicopter
    Equipment: same as government army troops

    Location: east of Nyala, 8 kilometers west of Ed Da’ein, South Darfur
    Opened: July 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, 200
    Structure: occupied villages, civilians (Borgo, Bergid, Sam Tama, Berti) driven out
    Equipment: vehicles, horses, and some camels

    Location: 17 kilometers east of Nyala (IDP camps in Intifida and Kalma, east of Nyala), west of Labadu, South Darfur
    Opened: July 2004
    Composition: Janjaweed only, number unknown
    Structure: occupied villages, civilians (Dayo ethnic group) driven out

    The Sudanese government promised to disarm and neutralize the Janjaweed—also referred to as “militias”—in the following agreements:

    1. Agreement on Humanitarian Ceasefire on the Conflict in Darfur, April 8, 2004

    Article 6: “The parties shall ensure that all armed groups under their control comply with this agreement. The Sudanese Government shall commit itself to neutralize the armed militias.”

    2. Agreement Between the Government of Sudan, The Sudan Liberation Movement, and the Justice and Equality Movement, April 25, 2004

    Article 4 (d): “the Government of Sudan shall ensure that armed militia are neutralized and disarmed in the framework of a programme to be determined”.

    3. Joint Communiqué between the Government of Sudan and the United Nations, July 3, 2004

    Article 3: On Security commits the government of Sudan to “Immediately start to disarm the Janjaweed and other armed outlaw groups.”

    4. Darfur Plan of Action signed by the Government of Sudan and the U.N. Special Representative of the Secretary-General Jan Pronk, August 6, 2004

    Article 4: Control and restrain activities by armed militias. “The Government of Sudan would identify and declare those militias over whom it has influence and instruct them to cease their activities forthwith and lay down their weapons”.

    here are some more links just in case thta ain't enough :




  2. Dawood

    Dawood Elite Member

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    I think you meant to say Sudan , not saudi Arabia.
  3. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

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    This has been going on for quite some time now...
  4. KYU

    KYU Member

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    that sure is a lot of detailed information about their camps
  5. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

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    Its not really dtailed its the same information you get from doing a fly over or what you get from satellite surveillance
  6. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,130 Likes Received: 66
    The way to stop this shit is to arm the Sudanese that are getting fucked over. Trying to disarm the Janjaweed is a waste of time. They are like all other cowards, brave when their victims are unarmed, but they run like little girls when the other side has firearms.

    Look at Rwanda---the Hutus were armed with cheap-ass Chinese machetes and shovels. They killed a million Tutsis in about three months, hacking them to pieces. If there was a shotgun or a rifle in every Rwandan household, do you suppose those genocidal motherfuckers could have pulled this shit off? NO WAY.

    Same thing in Darfur. If the southern Sudanese were armed, this shit would NOT be occurring. Unfortunately, the southern Sudanese are too poor to afford weapons. I think the U.S. ought to air-drop them a couple of hundred thousand single-shot shotguns and ammunition. Presto---the Janjaweed would disappear in a week.
  7. dumy

    dumy Veteran Member

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    ^^I think maybe we could help "liberate" these people in the same way that we've done in Iraq. I mean they seem to be victim of as much tryanny as most of Iraq during Sadaam's regime. I wonder what will happen?

    KING BLING Guest

    I don't agree with you often but this is not a bad idea...
  9. Dawood

    Dawood Elite Member

    Joined: May 8, 2002 Messages: 4,677 Likes Received: 147
    I agree, Let them fight back. Even the odds. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.
  10. r3b3lth3ory

    r3b3lth3ory New Jack

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    sick shit.... sick shit

    POIESIS Member

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    nothing will happen.
    sudan, along with the congo, where possibly 5 million people have been hacked up, is a
    good example of how phoney US rhetoric is on human rights.
  12. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,130 Likes Received: 66
    Does Sudan have an ocean of petroleum underneath it? No? There's your answer.
  13. dumy

    dumy Veteran Member

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    BUT we didn't go to Iraq for oil, right? we went to liberate the iraqi people.. I've been watching Fox five for like 16 months straight, talking about "operation: iraqi freedom" not operation: iraqi free-oil. Give me a legitimate reason why we are not in Sudan right now.

    POIESIS Member

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    because genocide is a non issue in US foreign policy.
    poor people getting killed has never been a concern.
    now if sudan has some powerful business leaders that
    start getting picked off and upsetting the larger business
    community..then you might see something done.
  15. dumy

    dumy Veteran Member

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    Thats EXACTLY my point, the current administration's exploitation of our foreign policy is hypocritical and dangerous for America. How can we take lofty ideals of "liberation" and the spreading of freedom and use it for justification to wage wars largely based on economic positioning while ignoring large portions of the world who are dearly in need of our support. Countries, like Sudan, which harbor individuals who TERRORIZE their citizens with Genocide and Slavery. I mean c'mon, does this not outrage anyone else?