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US admits use of bioweapons on unsuspecting populations

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by BROWNer, Oct 10, 2002.

  1. BROWNer

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    US admits use of bioweapons on unsuspecting populations

    Discussion started by BROWNer - Oct 10, 2002

    http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml...storyID=1556672

    10 Oct 2002 00:43 BST
    U.S. admits germ war tests in Britain
    By Charles Aldinger

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has acknowledged it carried out a sweeping Cold War-era test programme of chemical and germ warfare agents in Britain and North America.

    An unknown number of civilians were exposed at the time to "simulants", or what were then thought to be harmless agents meant to stand in for deadlier ones, the Defense Department said. Some of those were later discovered to be dangerous.

    "We do know that some civilians were exposed in tests that occurred in Hawaii, possibly in Alaska and possibly in Florida," said William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.

    Also exposed or possibly exposed were civilians in or around Vieques, Puerto Rico, and an unknown number of U.S. service personnel, said Michael Kilpatrick of the Pentagon's Deployment Health Support Directorate.

    As many as 5,500 members of the U.S. armed forces were involved, including 5,000 who took part in previously disclosed ship-board experiments in the Pacific in the 1960s, the Pentagon said.

    So far, more than 50 veterans have filed claims related to symptoms they associate with exposure to the tests, the Department of Veterans Affairs said.

    The tests of such nerve agents as Sarin, Soman, Tabun and VX were carried out from 1962 to 1973 both on land and at sea "out of concern for our ability to protect and defend against these potential threats," a Pentagon statement said on Wednesday. The tests were co-ordinated by an outfit called the Deseret Test Center at Fort Douglas, Utah.

    The reports amounted to an acknowledgement of much wider Cold War testing of toxic arms involving U.S. forces than earlier admitted by the Pentagon.

    "During this period there were serious and legitimate concerns about the Soviet Union's chemical and biological warfare programme," Winkenwerder added at a Pentagon news briefing.

    But the tests also had applications to the offensive chemical and biological weapons stocks then maintained by the United States, he said. President Richard Nixon ordered an end to U.S. offensive chemical and biological weapons programmes in 1970.

    Britain and Canada joined the United States in a series of tests on their military proving grounds from July 1967 to September 1968, a document released by the Pentagon said.

    These joint exercises, known as Rapid Tan 1, 2 and 3, were designed to investigate "the extent and duration of hazard" following a Tabun, Soman or other nerve agent attack, a fact sheet said. These agents, along with VX, were sprayed in both open grassland and wooded terrain at the Chemical Defence Establishment in Porton Down, Wiltshire, the document said.

    Similar tests took place at the Suffield Defence Research Establishment in Ralston, Canada, the Pentagon said.

    "The weapons systems germane to this test were explosive munitions (Soman-filled), aircraft spray, rain-type munitions (using both Tabun and Soman), and massive bombs (Tabun- and Soman-filled), the fact sheet said.

    CANADA, BRITAIN

    Both Canada and Britain made public information about these tests years ago, Kilpatrick said, citing word received from their governments as part of the process of co-ordinating the U.S. release of information.

    But in Ottawa, Canadian Defense Minister John McCallum told reporters he had just learned of the experiments.

    "My understanding is that this was ... for the purposes of defence against biological or chemical weapons ... My understanding also is that no human beings were deliberately exposed to any of these agents." he said.

    The department said it had contracted with the Institute of Medicine, a private group with ties to the National Academy of Sciences, to carry out a three-year, $3 million (1.92 million pounds) study of potential long-term health effects of the tests conducted aboard U.S. Navy ships.

    The reports on the U.S. land tests in Alaska, Hawaii, Maryland and Florida did not all involve deadly agents and were used to learn how climate and a battle environment would affect the use of such arms, the Pentagon said.

    The information was released amid U.S. charges that Iraq has continued building weapons of mass destruction despite disarmament requirements at the end of the 1991 Gulf War.

    Iraq flatly denies having such weapons programmes.

    Within minutes, Sarin can trigger symptoms including difficult breathing, nausea, jerking, staggering, loss of bladder-bowel control and death.

    Extremely lethal VX is an oily liquid that is tasteless and odourless and considered one of the most deadly agents ever made by man. With severe exposure to the skin or lungs, death usually occurs within 10 to 15 minutes.


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  2. BROWNer

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    BROWNer - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    i wonder what they've experimented on since...
     
  3. SMUGGLER RSH

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    SMUGGLER RSH - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    Shit it seems every `NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS COUNTRY` has fucked up alot and is only now coming out
     
  4. When

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    When - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    who knows.
    well i guess if it does come down to this atleast ill die in 10-15 minutes
    theres always that bright side
     
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  5. Kettiecat

    Kettiecat 12oz Senior Member

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    Kettiecat - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    does this come as a shock to anyone??

    play on.
     
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  6. Abracadabra

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    Abracadabra - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    people are stupid. really stupid
     
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  7. willy.wonka

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    willy.wonka - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    dude all i know is that hawaiian waters a re fucked up..there are no swimming holes aroung that do not have some sort of toxic sign hanging around, but that does piss me off that the us is so sneaky and casual about its curruption.
     
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    swif1 - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    i thought hawai'i had the best quality drinking water?
     
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  9. metallix

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    metallix - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    haha that's just what is admitted to. this is happening all the time on a massive scale...happening right now. happening every second your awake in the USA/UK...
     
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    willy.wonka - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    ??maybe its just oahu??
    i'll take a bottle of menehune"the hawaiian leprechaun" water anyday.
     
  11. !@#$%

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    !@#$% - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    so now we can depose Bush?

    big surprise...

    now can we overthrow our government?
     
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  12. imported_El Mamerro - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    I find it funny how people love to disregard the media and accuse it of misleading when it sides with the US, but as soon as something comes out of the same source that places the US as the bad guys, you don't think twice about agreeing with it.

    I don't doubt that it's true though. And in any case, the US really needs to get its ass out of Vieques. Beer,

    El Mamerro
     
  13. toyeattoywar

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    toyeattoywar - Replied Oct 10, 2002

    so bush was saying a main reason that we had to go to war with iraq is because saddam used these same exact chemicals on his civilians. oh wait...so i guess this means that now we did too.
     
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