Cracked Ass Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 This is mostly for news and sightings of restamps, repaints, and refurbishing of UP's various fleets. We all know the Solid Colds got chopped, channeled, and repainted into Chilled Express. Right now the gold UPFEs are rapidly turning into white ARMNs with the UP shield on the upper right instead of Chilled Express. People should be getting flicks of anything noteworthy on gold UPFEs before they all vanish under the new paint. Golden Wests are the latest issue. Due to deprescription (explained elsewhere), Golden Wests are losing their old shortline marks (GVSR, VCY) and getting restamped with other marks owned by UP (SSW, SP in particular). The first bunch of Golden West restamps I saw made me relax: it looked like they were just restamping the numbers and load limits and not buffing the cars. But there's a new and ominous development: I just encountered a freshpaint red SSW flat, paint date 6/04, build date '73. I looked closely under the paint job and saw the old decals: it had been a GVSR 768xxx series car. So some Golden Wests are getting a total repaint and reporting mark change. I don't know how widespread this will be. But it's a threat to the Golden West fleet, and there will never be any new Golden Wests, since they were essentially a paper company front for the now defunct Southern Pacific. There is a lot of classic west coast and other shit on these cars, stuff with historical value. Again, I would encourage anyone who benches and takes flicks to consider concentrating on documenting all decent Golden West stuff before these cars start to get rare. It's early yet, there's still a million of them out there, but it's not too early to flick stuff that will soon be history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostvandal Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 shiiit thanks for all these info cracked ass.. i just did my second golden west last night..i feel so lucky now! do you think that the gvsr already restamped and owned by other companies like BN will get repainted too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomuhsBoi Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Thank You...:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 good point.......keep the memories alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE CORONER Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 word to big bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8otech Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 I've seen the stamps, but had no idea they were repainting them. I make it a point to flick every GVSR/VCY/SSW I see, even if they have garbage on them, because where I'm at, they aren't common. So these red freshpaints...are they coded VCY/GVSR or they're all SSW/SP? Either way...this is why we bench. Documentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer me Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 thanks for the info.. between you and Kabar you guys have made up about 80 % of my knowledge about freights.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRON HEAD Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 yea i seen a couple of GVSR's retamped SP... Sux if they are starting to dissappear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Every time I read one of Cracked's threads I learn tons of good information. You de man, C-A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Ass Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 Originally posted by ghostvandal do you think that the gvsr already restamped and owned by other companies like BN will get repainted too? No. Different company = different schedule for repaints. Although I never heard of a Golden West of any type with BN marks. Remember, Golden West restamps SP and SSW have NOT changed hands - they were owned by UP, and are still owned by UP. They just changed the reporting marks because there is no longer a financial benefit for leasing the shortline marks GVSR and VCY. The only Golden West I ever saw that was bought by another RR and restamped was a ridged lumber box (the kind west coast heads are bored with: local, ridges, double door, no good panel) stamped TKEN, which is Tenneken Rail and not a UP company. The overall Golden West fleet is enormous, and A) it would take forever to repaint them all and B) I don't think they're trying to do them all. So keep rocking these cars. I know people with the mentality that when they hear a certain fleet or car type gets buffed or is being repainted, they avoid hitting them, not wanting to "waste their paint". I see it a different way: you get to hit and flick a paint scheme that is getting rarer, and you get the "last word" on that car before it becomes something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Ass Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 Originally posted by fr8otech So these red freshpaints...are they coded VCY/GVSR or they're all SSW/SP? Sorry, didn't see this the first time. The red freshpaint I saw was an SSW 23xxx series. Which is extra weird because there already is such a series, the old SSW Hydracushion flats. Although a lot of the original Hydracushions are rusted to fuck and may have been scrapped, which opens up "dead" car numbers that can be reassigned to these freshpaints. For the record, there will be no new cars or repaints coming out of the UP fleet with GVSR or VCY marks. GVSR is Galveston Railroad of Texas; VCY is Ventura County RR. These are shortline RRs that never ran the Golden West fleet, and never will. They just let Southern Pacific, the creator of Golden Wests, put their reporting mark on those cars for a small fee. Doing this saved SP some money over a couple years, but not nearly enough to avoid being taken over by Union Pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWX1994 Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 thats good info. especially for a nerd like me always looking to get fliks of shit that will someday be "rare". what about the golden west non-boxcars (airslides, covered hoppers, open top hoppers etc.) since there are less of them do you think they will go first? as for the golden oldies. i saw this coming but its still hard to believe. only because there is so much vintage shit on them...its like they never buffed them shits. but all that being said, for those into benching and collecting it would be a good idea to get your documentation on. there is still a lot of good graff on the golden oldies and the golden wests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnerCityRebel Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 I know this day was coming.I have a shit load of flicks of the old VCY and GVSR's.I see them everytime i am at the yard.Damn i love those bad boys.It will be sad to see the gold and blue cars slowing disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinaround Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Don't panic guys...the up is in a finacial booboo, that is why they stopped re-vamping ALL the upfe's,plus they are two different cars used for 2 differnt things, yellow bok bok bok, white mooooooo ...golden west re-paints(stenciled) are specifiying who owns/leased them...so refer to the first sentence......BUT I have seen buffed gvsr's and did scratch my head as well.:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostvandal Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 bok bok bok? i ve seen chilled express with carrots, oranges, etc..what does the upfe carries? its supposed to be different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWX1994 Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Originally posted by ghostvandal bok bok bok? i ve seen chilled express with carrots, oranges, etc..what does the upfe carries? its supposed to be different? me too. im not a refer head, but i ve seen all kinds of shit in them (well not really seen, but i know what they produce in the spots where i have seen them laid up). that famous crew from the bx used to paint at a spot where they make canned veggies from raw veggies. i think the load depends only on the customers demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolname Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 What about Golden West gondolas? And on the subject of gondolas, aren't Gondola Connection gondolas owned by either GVSR or VCY or UP (thanks for shedding light to me about this topic of which company owns which cars...) or actually were owned by these companies? That is what I heard through the grapevine, although now I have seen Gondola Connections with NOKL and other rreporting marks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinaround Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 sorry, out here the yellow ones I handle contain chickens.......but, if I traveled a bit south, yes vegan dishes abroad... Load does depend on customer... hold on....let me get back to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermdog Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 The same issues are happening with the CN's and CVC's which I'm sure you know....either way I will continue to bench the trains until I can't anymore....streaks/burners/bombs all the same in my book... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish son Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 good lookin i have noticed about 5 or so of the GVSR to SP restamps. there was no buff involved though. i have been flicking every boxcar, reefer i can for the past year now. this thread is really helpful. suggestion: allow flicks to be posted in trainspotting section of the forum (little or no graff, just raw boxcar shots.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40ozbreath Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 good info. i wish i had the time to know this shit. i always liked golden west because they dont buff ( for the most part) even when dip shits go over the numbers thsy use some kind of solution to clean the spray paint off the numbers. well that sucks if they start to disapear they are rocked with good shit ....... upfes are for what ever is refridgerated and travel alot and fast and all over good trains to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikro137 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Originally posted by ghostvandal bok bok bok? i ve seen chilled express with carrots, oranges, etc..what does the upfe carries? its supposed to be different? usually refregirated cars such as these carry perishable items such as produce. where i live there is a major grocery distrobution terminal , and the cars are full of fruits and vegitables. on a light note about the vcy/gvsr subject , i was reading a railroading magazine a few months ago , and there was a picture of a clean gvsr , and in the caption , it stated "...it is almost as amazing that this car is'nt covered in graffiti" which i found to be quite humorus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Ass Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 I don't know anything about the non-boxcar Golden Wests, I never see those cars out my way, except once in a blue moon I'll see a GWS hopper with CRLE (Coe Rail) marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. anthracis Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Imagine those big flat UPFEs WHITE!.:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikro137 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Originally posted by B. anthracis Imagine those big flat UPFEs WHITE!.:eek: are you forreal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 ...i have seen a handful of GW's restamped as CSXT...this is probably only a very small part of the fleet, but they may actually retain the paint scheme for longer than the west coast cars...in the same way, i've seen a few solid colds that are CSXT now and they all have original paint as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typeerror Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I was lucky enough to catch one of the new white ARMN extended height (UP logo cars, not chilled express) up close and I noticed an almost buffed tag on it. Not painted over but it looked as if some type of cleaner/paint remover was used on it. I've noticed other photos on here with buffed new ARMNs. Does anyone know how actively they are buffing these cars and for what reason (pride in the new fleet?)? Personally I think its a nice catch regardless of its fate, but it got my curiousity going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8otech Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I actually just got one of those off a little while ago, and aside from being spotless-ly clean, it had loosely the same thing your describing: Streaks that were semi-buffed off. It got crushed then rolled out. I just hope someone catches a flick of it be fore it's run ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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