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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by SPLINTER, Dec 27, 2002.


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    what do you guys think?

    Health - AP
    Scientist Claims to Produce Human Clone
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    By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer

    HOLLYWOOD, Fla. - A member of a sect that believes life on Earth was created by extraterrestrials claimed Friday to have produced the world's first human clone, a baby girl.

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    Scientist Claims to Produce Human Clone
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    The 7-pound baby was born Thursday by Caesarean section, said Brigitte Boisselier, a chemist and head of a company that did the experiment. She wouldn't say where the baby was born; she did say the birth was at 11:55 a.m. local time.

    Even before her news conference, other scientists expressed doubt that her group could clone a human.

    Boisselier said the baby, dubbed "Eve" by the scientists, is a clone of the 31-year-old American woman who donated the DNA for the cloning process, had the resulting embryo implanted and then gestated the baby. If confirmed, that would make the child an exact genetic duplicate of her mother.

    Boisselier said the mother had resorted to cloning because her mate was infertile.

    "It is very important to remember that we are talking about a baby," she said. "The baby is very healthy. She is fine, she doing fine. The parents are happy. I hope that you remember them when you talk about this baby, not like a monster, like some results of something that is disgusting."

    Boisselier did not immediately present DNA evidence showing a genetic match between mother and daughter, however. That leaves her claim scientifically unsupported.

    Dr. Michael Guillen, a former medical correspondent at ABC's "Good Morning America," told reporters at the news conference he was lining up "independent world-class experts" to perform DNA test on the mother and baby. He said he was not being paid by Clonaid.

    The group expects four more babies to be born in the next several weeks, another from North America, one from Europe and two from Asia. Two of the couples are using preserved cells taken from their own children before their deaths, and one is a lesbian couple, she claimed.

    "I do believe that it is the choice of every parent to choose the child they want, even if they don't have any infertility problem," Boisselier said. "Who are we to tell the parents the child that they should have?"

    The couples were not asked to pay for the procedures but some had invested in Clonaid, she said.

    She said the baby will go home in three days, and an independent expert will take DNA samples from her to prove she had been cloned. She said results would come within nine days.

    "You can still go back to your office and treat me as a fraud," she said. "You have one week to do that."

    Most scientists, already skeptical of Boisellier's ability to produce a human clone, will probably demand to know exactly how the DNA testing was done before they believe the announcement.

    Clonaid was founded in the Bahamas in 1997 by Claude Vorilhon, a former French journalist and leader of a group called the Raelians. Vorilhon and his followers claim aliens visiting him in the 1970s revealed they had created all life on Earth through genetic engineering.

    Cloning produces a new individual using only one person's DNA. The process is technically difficult but conceptually simple. Scientists remove the genetic material from an unfertilized egg, then introduce new DNA from a cell of the animal to be cloned. Under the proper conditions, the egg begins dividing into new cells according to the instructions in the introduced DNA.

    Boisselier, who claims two chemistry degrees and previously was marketing director for a chemical company in France, identifies herself as a Raelian "bishop" and said Clonaid retains philosophical but not economic links to the Raelians. She is not a specialist in reproductive medicine.

    Legislation or guidelines to ban human cloning are pending in dozens of nations, including the United States. Several countries, including Britain, Israel, Japan and Germany, already have banned it. There is no specific law against it in the United States, but the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) contends it must approve any human experiments in this country.

    Boisselier would not say where Clonaid has been carrying out its experiments. Bush administration officials had said they were aware of rumors of an announcement but had no plans to comment until after the details were known.

    In Rome, fertility doctor Severino Antinori, who said weeks ago that a cloned baby boy would be born in January, dismissed Clonaid's claims and said the group has no scientific credibility.

    The news "makes me laugh and at the same time disconcerts me, because it creates confusion between those who make serious scientific research" and those who don't, Antinori said.

    "We keep up our scientific work, without making announcements," he added. "I don't take part in this ... race."

    So far scientists have succeeded in cloning sheep, mice, cows, pigs, goats and cats. Last year, scientists in Massachusetts produced cloned human embryos with the intention of using them as a source of stem cells, but the cloned embryos never grew bigger than six cells.

    Many scientists oppose cloning to produce humans, saying it's too risky because of abnormalities seen in cloned animals.

    Dr. Robert Lanza of Advanced Cell Technology, the Massachusetts company that last year produced the first reported cloned human embryo, said before the announcement that Clonaid has "no scientific credibility at this point."

    But he and other experts do not dismiss the possibility of success. In some respects, cloning to produce a baby may be easier than the task Lanza is undertaking, which is to clone an embryo to produce stem cells for medical research.

    "They may be able to bypass many of the problems that we would encounter in the lab," he said. He said his work has found that implanting a very early stage cloned embryo in an animal's uterus can be successful, while trying to grow the embryo in the lab is more difficult.
  2. Dirty_habiT

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    hey, I made this thread already. Hmmmm, or did I?
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    Buried beneath forgotten cryptic stones
    Enshrined in silence, embraced by darkness
    Belonging to the hidden ancient race
    Am I still dead but dreaming
    Awaiting my time of resurrection
    Reminisce of a day long ago in past
    When I was blessed with the dark kiss
    The gift which immortalized me once
    Oh... I do remember the taste of hot blood
    Which was running upon my white face
    To moisten my dry lips
    With a burning kiss of mortality
    ...A burning kiss of mortality
    My eyes are blazing red in the night
    Leather wings adorn my huge back
    My fangs are sharp as frozen steel
    Prepared to caress thy beloved neck
    I rise from the tombworld, folding out my wings
    Flying up high through the nocturnal sky
    Looking for cretures who are worthy
    To get the dark kiss
    And to satisfy my hunger for blood
    During this night
    I do feel again the taste of hot blood
    My fangs are mutilating thy sweet flesh
    It's the painful bite of the dark kiss
    Vampires kiss... Blut ist Leben
    ... The blood is the life
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  8. LiKe7

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    this is stupid.. leave everything to nature... its prolly true and all that they cloned a human being.. ..people gotta realize, fuck making clones... god is fucking god, he does what he has to do.. as an example of creating human beings.. people need to fuck off with the cloning.
  9. toyeattoywar

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    wheres a picture of a baby on a grill when you need one, eh?

    i think its time to get out the knives, forks and spoons everyone.
  10. willy.wonka

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    ITS MY BABY...i needed the money.
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    hahaha, one word replies are so funny.
  13. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

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    i think it's a fake. i mean this people are raeliens or whatever. i mean come on.
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    »GLÅM¬RÖCK« Banned

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    >>accept message?
    >>>click yes
    >>>>message: hey how about that clone baby?
    >>>>>response: do i fucking know you? shut up.
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