misteraven Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 With 12ozPROPHET now returning to the world of publishing, I was curious what topics, artists, writers, etc people were interested in. In general we've always tried to march to our own beat, but it doesn't hurt to hear what people are interested in. If all goes well, we plan to release the ALSO KNOWN AS series of books twice a year or so, but there's also been some debate about doing an artist series of books or something similar. Anyhow, I figure it would be a good subject of discussion to see who people are interested, why, and how many others agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 i wish i saw/heard more about writers that put in work but don't tend to attract a lot of media attention. there are plenty of writers out there that seem to be magazine and book favorites, and it seems like much of the graffiti books and mags gravitate towards those people, of course that's because a lot of em are dope and they deserve it, but i think there's a lot of cats out there putting in a lot of work, good work, but still flying under the radar in terms of recognition. twelve ounce already did a good job of that, such as with writers like os gemeos. it would be cool to see that type of coverage for all areas, not just areas that are pretty new to the graffiti scene. and if there are going to be interviews, i hope that the interviews aren't only about writing and chase stories and crew beef and shit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 what symbols said. i'd like to see twelve ounce break some (more) boundaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 it would take some work, but I would really dig history lessons. Not like the history of 'the scene' but more like the history of certain tools or elements that are part of what we do. for example: aka aerosol - paint can history / trades / brands / collectors etc certainly the spray paint can is essential to what we do, so it would be interesting to see a bit more on the original '12oz prophet' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermdog Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 More Quality Graff Photos.... I know that seems obvious but certain magazines that will remain unnamed have too many advertisements and articles; meanwhile neglecting the photos it was known for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leader Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Originally posted by Misteraven@Mar 22 2005, 01:37 PM ALSO KNOWN AS series of books twice a year or so Quoted post I have nothing to contribute other than the bajillion potential babies I just splattered all over my computer screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 hermdog saying that reminds me...quality ads are essential. not just folks who will throw in money for some ad space, but quality companies who are tried and true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 a stolen excert on the history of spray paint: The concept of an aerosol originated as early as 1790, when self-pressurized carbonated beverages were introduced in France. In 1837, a man called Perpigna invented a soda siphon incorporating a valve. In 1899, inventors Helbling and Pertsch patented aerosols pressurized using methyl and ethyl chloride as propellants. On November 23, 1927, Norwegian engineer Erik Rotheim (also spelled Eric Rotheim) patented the first aerosol can and valve that could hold and dispense products and propellant systems. This was the forerunner of the modern aerosol can and valve. (In 1998, the Norwegian post office issued a stamp celebrating the Norwegian invention of the spraycan.) During World War II, the U.S. government funded research into a portable way for service men to spray malaria-carrying bugs. Department of Agriculture researchers, Lyle Goodhue and William Sullivan, developed a small aerosol can pressurized by a liquefied gas (a fluorocarbon) in 1943. It was their design that made products like hair spray possible, along with the work of another inventor. In 1953, Robert Abplanal invented a crimp-on valve "for dispensing gases under pressure." This put the manufacture of aerosol spray can products into high gear. Abplanal had created the first clog-free valve for spray cans. Abplanal also invented the "Aquasol" or pump spray, which uses water-soluble hydrocarbons as the propellant source. He realized that the fluorocarbons in the older aerosol cans damaged the ozone layer. a history of brands, colours, can and tip design, innovations and modifications...... + mixing paints, profiles on writers who have custom colours made, writers thoughts on brands (rusto silver vs. all the rest) etc etc etc: ------- montana custom colours: KENT Heat Red WT 01 ATOM Napalm Orange WT 02 KACAO 77 Glow Green WT 03 DASH Nile Blue WT 04 BATES Power Pink WT 05 MINS Rebel Apricot WT 06 Mr. Maks Banana WT 07 CAN2 Blue WT 08 ---- I'm goign to shut up now. I've made my point and will let others add to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leader Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Also, I would LOVE to see key's idea come into effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 witht he magazine ro book that comes out, include a bonus dvd of some live action type shit, and have rappers and djs in it too, they can freestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 i think symbols summed it up perfectly. i havent bought a north american magazine in like 4 years, simply because theyre boring, and im tired of basically the same mag, with the same writers, over and over. no more magazine favourites please. theres alot of people doing alot of stuff, and getting not enough recognition for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 It'd be weird it 12oz ventured into non-graffiti related texts in the same vein as all those Time-Life "How-To" books. In theory it could help 12oz break into more 'accessable' content if each were to focus on something completely different. It could then be tied into graffiti to show that while we're a bunch of delinquent retards with chips on our shoulders we also care to learn about things outside of our own selfish destruction. Hell, the only reason I even thought of that is because a chunk of 12oz doesn't even do graffiti and a few of them are the board's most appreciated members. This is probably too much, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 P.S. Give Mero a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 no need to worry about crappy advertisers... there will be no advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yeah, you should have mero do commentaries on shit in there too. in all caps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Originally posted by Misteraven@Mar 22 2005, 03:31 PM no need to worry about crappy advertisers... there will be no advertising. Quoted post whoa! fuckin raw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 i don't know about you guys, but every book i've bought there has never been any ads.... that being said, the brazil issue of 12 oz was my favorite. what made it stand out for me was how it just didn't fearure os gemeos, but focused on the culture and country and how that influences what they and the rest of the writers there do. something with more of a cultural slant or focus on specific regions of the world would definately keep me interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 effyou's got it right. books cost more than magazines because the reader is paying for everything. Magazines make money from two streams, copy sales and advertising sales. Some mags, like vice, are free because the adds cover all the costs. No matter what I personally think about the tribal add on the inside back cover of The Vaporz, I understand that's how the magazine game works. The AKA book should be beyond all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENOJOS Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by 26SidedCube@Mar 22 2005, 09:19 PM P.S. Give Mero a job. Quoted post agreed. haha, that is one funny cat. thing's id like to see / read about / get insight to would be: -quality stories about chases, racking, jail, stories that the writer always makes sure to tell, like their #1 claim to fame. -how they got their name... what led up to them writing what they write. id like to see work / hear from: gory, rime, nise, crnot, puzl, huge, atari, revok, ruets, benz, erupto, grey, amaze, metal, biter, nime, perves, themo, twice, causer, mize, soviet, reke, relaps, skuf, atlas, colt 45, ja, goal, navy 8, sigh, chip, onetime, elk, oze 108, jesse dac, cake, raels, bely, elik, eatfuk, sace, buket, mque, delk, hog, fred, dive, aesia, adek, pars, pores, floe, aerub... to name a few that ive noticed lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 i like chess tactics.. also... audio equipment.. old hiphop.. recipes.. porn.. records... software and shit talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 ladies of 12 oz fold out section? ehhehheeh?? ...okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by GREENOJOS@Mar 23 2005, 12:16 AM gory, rime, nise, crnot, puzl, huge, atari, revok, ruets, benz, erupto, grey, amaze, metal, biter, nime, perves, themo, twice, causer, mize, soviet, reke, relaps, skuf, atlas, colt 45, ja, goal, navy 8, sigh, chip, onetime, elk, oze 108, jesse dac, cake, raels, bely, elik, eatfuk, sace, buket, mque, delk, hog, fred, dive, aesia, adek, pars, pores, floe, aerub... to name a few that ive noticed lately. Quoted post add tox from london to that list. anyway, for a book 3 simple words wont stear you wrong: illegal graffiti pics. im sick of reading the same crappy, bullshit in various graff books and mags about writers who have done their thing and have moved on to some obscure fucking fashion / abstract shape art flex. fair enough they are a legend for what theyve done for the scene but still - books and mags, take note not to suck the balls of the people you interview. just give me raw photos of graffiti where it belongs - on the streets and on trains. (maybe less of the fr8s, but im a dude who prefers looking at commiters). pictures of drippy marker tags, not so good handstyles along with fresh handstyles to show the contrasts. street dubs, scratches, pure utter damage in a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 and also, 'low keeping it pure american. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave_one Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by mackfatsoe@Mar 22 2005, 05:40 PM ladies of 12 oz fold out section? ehhehheeh?? ...okay Quoted post ahahaha...good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leader Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 I would like it to magically play "Like a bridge over troubled water" whenever I crack it's binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilt TA Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by GREENOJOS+Mar 23 2005, 12:16 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GREENOJOS - Mar 23 2005, 12:16 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-26SidedCube@Mar 22 2005, 09:19 PM P.S. Give Mero a job. Quoted post agreed. haha, that is one funny cat. thing's id like to see / read about / get insight to would be: -quality stories about chases, racking, jail, stories that the writer always makes sure to tell, like their #1 claim to fame. -how they got their name... what led up to them writing what they write. id like to see work / hear from: gory, rime, nise, crnot, puzl, huge, atari, revok, ruets, benz, erupto, grey, amaze, metal, biter, nime, perves, themo, twice, causer, mize, soviet, reke, relaps, skuf, atlas, colt 45, ja, goal, navy 8, sigh, chip, onetime, elk, oze 108, jesse dac, cake, raels, bely, elik, eatfuk, sace, buket, mque, delk, hog, fred, dive, aesia, adek, pars, pores, floe, aerub... to name a few that ive noticed lately. Quoted post [/b] you basically just said you wanted to see the last 2 issues of clout again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgore Trout Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 so, is it going to be along the same lines of the magazine 'colors' where every issue is wholly dedicated to a single topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 ...if you cover freights, i think you should do it from a perspective that hasn't been seen much...from the bencher...instead of having an article on a writer and all of their stuff have one about a bencher who shares some of their catches and insight into what keeps them going out day after day chasing freights for a flick... ...and you ahould do articles about toys...like follow them around for a couple months documenting everything and getting into their head...i'd love to see a bunch of toy-ass pieces and bombs and some story about how bad ass this kid thinks he is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perhap Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 i agree with key on the history of tools/equipment tip. what about some of knowledge on how to keep a chill yard ala cracked ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leader Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 I like every idea so far. Other than the hip hop one... and the toy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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