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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by TEARZ, Jun 19, 2003.

  1. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    click here to register for their primary.

    a little info: In most presidential primary processes, pundits, pollsters and wealthy donors determine the outcome long before the actual primaries. By the time the rest of us cast our ballots, the nomination is typically a done deal. The MoveOn.org PAC Primary will allow hundreds of thousands of voters to speak out now, adding their weight to the campaigns of their choice. Voting in the MoveOn.org PAC primary starts Tuesday, June 24 and will last 48 hours. Existing MoveOn members will be sent a unique email ballot, which is good for one vote only.

    some of you may not know, but moveon.org is a powerful organization, not just some shitty web group. they have clout. they raised 1 million dollars for wellstone in one day last year. the stakes are real, because they'll endorse the candidate that wins a majority.
    pretty cool shit.

  2. ctrl+alt+del

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  3. NOUM

    NOUM Elite Member

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  4. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

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  5. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    poop man,
    in a totally respectful way, i'm interested in why you like dean. bless us.
  6. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Nov 16, 2000 Messages: 10,259 Likes Received: 18
    1) What initially got me interested in him was his stance on the war. He has been anti-war from the beginning, and I respect him for that. I respect him even more because he continues to be an outspoken critic of the war.
    2) What he did while governor of Vermont (passing a law allowing civil unions for gays/lesbians, reduced their debt; quote from The Burlington (Vermont) Free Press on 9/13/2001 - "This equal emphasis on creating jobs, balancing budgets and expanding government's social activism sums up Dean's approach to the office he has held longer than anyone in this century ... Dean's stunning political success - five re-election bids, none of them close - has been built on that balanced approach to government.")
    3) His views on the issues - repealing Bush's bogus tax cut; universal health care; as I said earlier, his stance on the war with Iraq; possible civil union push nationally?; funding of special education; click to read.
    4) Intangibles. Things like how he commands himself in a speech (hop on over to www.howarddean.tv and you can watch a lot of his speeches and coverage throughout the past few months). I like that his campaign was the first ever to provide ongoing blogging, keeping anyone interested in their up-to-date views and activities. I respect the fact that he's a doctor and is clearly educated.

    There's more, but I have to shower and go eat steak.
  7. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

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  8. BROWNer

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  9. NOUM

    NOUM Elite Member

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    yeah,if any..
  10. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    attn poop man

    not sure if you saw it but check my small qualms with him on the kucinich thread.
  11. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    btw, thanks for your response PMB, i appreciate it. i'll get to your opportunist ? tomorrow or something when i sobner up.,llcasm
  12. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Haha .. I'm unsober too. Goodnight.
  13. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    stuff in my inbox


    Beginning Tuesday, activists who've joined the peace and justice group
    MoveOn.org will be able to vote online. If you are one of the many
    planning to vote for a "peace candidate," please read this email
    closely, and forward it to others.

    An interesting exchange occurred at yesterday's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition
    Candidates' Forum, in answer to a question about the "Digital Divide"
    that separates minorities and the poor from middle class whites in
    computer access. Congressman Dennis Kucinich received warm applause
    when he declared: "As long as we're spending so much money for the
    Pentagon, and so little money for education, we're going to have all
    kinds of divides in this country…The only way we're really going to
    close the divide in this country is to start cutting the Pentagon
    and put that money into education."

    Howard Dean spoke next and commented: "I don't agree with Dennis about
    cutting the Pentagon budget when we're in the middle of a difficulty
    with terror attacks."

    That's a stark contrast on one of the biggest questions facing
    Democrats. Dean describes himself as a fiscal conservative adamant
    about balanced budgets. But if the soaring Pentagon budget is
    untouchable, are we being candid with voters about delivering them an
    enhanced domestic agenda of which Democrats can be proud?

    With Democratic candidates promising increased spending in such areas
    healthcare, education and the environment, how can the federal budget
    balanced while Pentagon cuts are deemed off-limits?

    Dennis Kucinich has made cuts in the bloated military budget central to
    his campaign. He has repeatedly pointed out that Pentagon spending
    soon rival the military budgets of all other countries in the world
    combined, that unneeded and Cold-War era weapons are still being
    produced, that Star Wars missile defense is a boondoggle, and that the
    Pentagon has a trillion dollars in irreconcilable accounts.

    Kucinich's commitment to fundamentally shift our nation's budget
    priorities toward civilian needs like healthcare, schools, cities,
    retirement security and environmental cleanup has attracted thousands
    our campaign, and last week helped earn the endorsements of progressive
    Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey and leading peace activist and businessman
    Ben Cohen. (Text of endorsements at http://www.kucinich.us.)

    If you're an activist committed to peace and justice, think about these
    issues before you vote in any primary, including the MoveOn Primary
    occurs this Tuesday and Wednesday.

    If you have not yet signed up with MoveOn, you must register today to
    vote for the genuine peace candidate, Dennis Kucinich, in this week's
    balloting: http://www.moveon.org/pac/reg/.
  14. rip

    rip Elite Member

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  15. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    whoa, dude is goin' after the
    pentagon budget! good for him,
    but that's untouchable shit, don't
    you think?

    koo-see-nitch? kuh-sa-nick?