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Then they came for the children

Discussion in 'News' started by robJ, May 3, 2005.

  1. robJ

    robJ Member

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    Then they came for the children

    Aspen Times | May 3, 2005

    They've vanished into the netherworld of a Homeland Security gulag and their story has already disappeared from the headlines, but the shocking case of two 16-year-old girls from New York City arrested a month ago ought to inspire outrage among every American worthy of the name. Since the government's reasons for the girls' imprisonment could apply to virtually any teenager, it should also spark fear.

    Like many rebellious teens, I fought with my mother. Local police, called to my home during at least one particularly impressive clash of wills and voices, talked us back into the land of the calmly reasonable. Then they left.

    Like many young people, I was fascinated by morbid, violent subjects. After I turned in an essay depicting a political assassination from the killer's viewpoint, my creative writing teacher sent me to talk to my guidance counselor. After I assured him that I had no desire to knock off any politicians, he returned me to class.

    A quarter century later, my mom and I are best friends and I haven't done anything the Secret Service ought to worry about. Right now, however, two girls from New York City are rotting in a HomeSec prison in Pennsylvania for doing nothing more than I did - one for fighting with her parents and writing an essay, the other accused of being her friend.

    In early March, the New York Times reported on April 7, one girl's parents "went to the local police station house" in the Queens Village neighborhood because "their daughter...had defied their authority." Things calmed down and the parents, believing their daughter had been scared straight, asked the NYPD to forget the whole thing.

    It was too late for that.

    Without a warrant, NYPD detectives and federal agents burst into the girl's home - no wonder they don't have time to look for Osama! - where they "searched her belongings and confiscated her computer and the essays that she had written as part of a home schooling program," say her family. "One essay concerned suicide...[that] asserted that suicide is against Islamic law." The family is Bangladeshi. They are Muslim. That, coupled with the mere mention of suicide bombing in her essay, was enough to put the fuzz on high alert.

    Although she is conservative and devout, the girl and her parents vigorously deny that she is an Islamist extremist (not that such opinions are illegal), but this is post-9/11 America and post-9/11 America is out of its mind.

    Based solely on an essay written by one of the two, the FBI says both girls are "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to become suicide bombers." But the feds admit that they have no evidence to back their suspicions. Nothing.

    "There are doubts about these claims, and no evidence has been found that such a plot was in the works," one Bush Administration official admitted to the Times. "The arrests took place after authorities decided it would be better to lock up the girls than wait and see if they decided to become terrorists," another told the New York Post. The same logic could be used to justify locking up any Muslim, or anyone at all. Heck, maybe that's the idea.

    The Bangladeshi girl, who was homeschooled and wears a veil, says she never even met her outgoing and more Americanized "co-conspirator" from Guinea before the cops accused them of plotting to do ... something. Maybe.

    She says FBI agents threatened to deport her parents and place her American-born siblings, a 4-month-old baby and an 11-year-old, in foster care unless she confessed.

    Even in PATRIOT Act-era America, alleged fantasies of martyrdom aren't a crime. So HomeSec's ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is holding both two girls as illegal immigrants - one for entering the U.S. without an inspection, the other for overstaying her visa. And even that charge rests on razor-thin ice: "This is a girl who's been in this country since she was 2 years old," the Guinean girl's teacher says. Ditto for the one from Bangladesh. Holding kids accountable for the actions of their parents is crazy, which is why immigration authorities don't usually do it. Two-year-old babies don't wade across the Rio Grande or overstay their visas. Deporting American teenagers - American in every way that matters - to countries they've never even visited is equally insane.

    I would be the first to applaud the FBI if they had arrested two proven would-be suicide bombers before they had the chance to strike. If they have evidence to that effect, they should make it public and bring charges in open court. But that's clearly not the case here.

    When this story first broke I didn't write about it because I assumed that a public outcry would soon lead to its reasonable resolution. Sadly, this has not happened.

    Homes searched without a warrant, kids thrown in prison for thoughts real and imagined, people's lives destroyed by an out-of-control federal government - will Americans speak up for what's right? Please call and write your congressman and senator to demand the release of the two girls from Queens.

  2. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 14,171 Likes Received: 272
    This is the first im hearing of this.
    This is some fucked up shit, but unfortunately its happening more and more these days. I dont what ever happened to using common sense but i guess they dont teach that anymore.
  3. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

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    I'm moving my familly to Canada. Fuck this shit!
  4. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

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    fucking rediculous. can't say I'm surprised though. we're definitely in the land of thought crime now.
  5. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 623
    fuckin sick.

    the terrorists have won.

    kids arrested for everyfuckingthing under the sun.
  6. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    Published on Saturday, April 9, 2005 by the New York Times

    Teachers and Classmates Express Outrage at Arrest of Girl, 16, as a Terrorist Threat
    by Nina Bernstein

    "I just can't fathom this," said her art teacher, Kimberly Lane, who has repeatedly called the youth detention center but like Ms. Carr was not allowed to speak to the girl, who has no lawyer. Among the unanswered questions they raised was why, if she was really a suspect, no F.B.I. agent had shown up to search her school locker or question her classmates, who sent her letters of support.

    "This is a girl who's been in this country since she was 2 years old," Ms. Lane said. "She's just a regular teenager - like, two weeks ago her biggest worry was whether she'd done her homework or studied for a science test."


    there are DISTURBINGLY few news items on this.
    people don't care as long as they have their cable tv and mcd's
  7. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 12, 2002 Messages: 7,042 Likes Received: 2
    land of the selfish, home of the vain.

    its the old addage...what you can't see...can't hurt you.
  8. MAGS156

    MAGS156 Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 4, 2005 Messages: 1,034 Likes Received: 1
    #1 what the fuck would the NYPD be looking for osama?!
    #2 do you have to kill somebody to be guilty
    #3 2 granades went off in mid town Manhattan today. I live here! I am fucking glad that they are completely overreacting in situations like this. Two 16 year old girls are a small price to pay to stop a nother 9/11. I am not saying that is what was going to happen, but this is not a game 1 person is all it takes to walk into time square and kill a thousand. Thees are not rational people we are dealing with, which makes evoryone suspect, from 16 yearold girls to 100 year old men . Mid town at 5:50.... BOOM!! Because we didnt overreact for every little thing we have heard, and the reason you are hearing this is yes because this is probably a case of "some stupid kid being made an exampel of" but are you willing to take that chance with your familes lives?
  9. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5
    You're a fucking idiot! Those girls had no ties to terrorizm they gonna rot their lives away for nothing! What if it was your sister or your girlfreind or your fucking daughter or YOU??? Then I'll bet your tune would change real fast! If you're so scared that you want to live in a fascist dictatorship where anybody can be thrown in the dungeon for blinking wrong then move to fucking Cuba you fuck! I fucking hate what scumbags with your mentality have done to this country. Next time someone tosses a grenade, do us all a favor and jump on it!!!
  10. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 12, 2002 Messages: 7,042 Likes Received: 2
    You're a complete fucking idiot!!!

    There's something called the big picture. Step back and take a look at it.
  11. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

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    You're talking to Mags156 right?
  12. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

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    the dumbass above you SF. you're on point man.
  13. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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    Report: New York City Teens Help in Bomb Plot

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    NEW YORK (AP) -- Two 16-year-old girls from New York City have been arrested on immigration charges after federal authorities said they planned to become suicide bombers, according to a published report.

    The teenagers were arrested March 24 and were being held in a detention center in Leesport, Pa., The New York Times reported Thursday, citing a government document provided by a federal agent.

    According to the document, the FBI found that the girls posed ''an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers,'' the Times said.

    The evidence was not described in the document.

    Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, would confirm only that two juveniles had been arrested on ''administrative immigration violations'' and remained in custody.

    The girls - one from Bangladesh, one from Guinea - were living in the United States illegally, the Times reported.

    Adam Carroll, a community activist with the Islamic Circle of North America, told the Times one of the girls had been arrested after she stopped attending public high school in September. Federal immigration agents investigated her home and discovered an essay about suicide and Islam on her computer, Carroll said.

    The case seemed to be ''an investigation that's gotten out of hand, like a lot of other so-called terror investigations,'' Carroll told the newspaper.


    it sounds fishy from this paper, too.
  14. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,130 Likes Received: 66
    It does seem that the cops over-reacted in this particular case, but I think some of you guys are missing the point. In the world we live in today, post-9/11, or even post-Columbine, one does not make rash statements about violence. It's like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre or "Hi, Jack!" at the airport. If you wish to avoid the unpleasantness of detention and interrogation, best watch your behavior.

    I guess I would add "writing disturbing essays about suicide bombing" to my list of "Things intelligent people avoid doing."

    Now, of course, you have every right to espouse whatever opinions or statements you please, but that doesn't mean that there will be absolutely no negative consequences. You may not get convicted, because of the First Amendment. You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.
  15. dumy

    dumy Veteran Member

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    yeah, but whats the use of having freedom of speech if, when you say the wrong things, you get fucked over anyway?