Æ° Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Orwellian nightmare...Supposedly allows authorities to treat drug users and dealers as terrorists, among other frightening things. I found a couple links quick, you might want to check for some other sources though. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/269495.shtml http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/2003...20030818c.shtml And here is a link to the actual draft text of the Victory act, Adobe stylie. http://www.libertythink.com/VICTORYAct.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOUM Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I wont change anything..if anything its going to make "crime" grow more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caL Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 fucka ashcroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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$360 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by caL fucka ashcroft fo fo fo fo real nukka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 biddy-ump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unconscience Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by caL fucka ashcroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 Victory Act To Target Drug Dealers as Terrorist Drug users and drug dealers may soon be treated like terrorists if the proposed Victory Act is passed by Congress. The Victory Act stands for the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist greatly expands the Justice Department’s power. Law enforcement agents could soon be able to seize personal records without court orders, to secretly search the homes of drug users and dealers. In addition the legislation would classify some drug offenses as terrorism and it would lower the standards for the government to tap home phones and computers. A Democratic House aide who has seen the legislation told ABC News: "This bill would treat drug possession as a 'terrorist offense' and drug dealers as 'narco-terrorist kingpins. To say that terrorist groups use a small percentage of the drug trafficking in the United States to finance terrorism may be a fair point, but this bill would allow the government to prosecute most drug cases as terrorism cases." The aide concluded "It really seems to be more about a political agenda to jail drug users than a serious attempt to stop terrorists." The Justice Department has denied it played any part in drafting the legislation. * From www.democracynow.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Hippie who grows weed specifically for personal use = terrorist Canadians (as a result of whatever decriminalization laws) = terrorists high school kid who buys a qp for 4:20 = terrorist Entire population of Amsterdam = terrorists SUV owners = patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 If you were to get caught growing weed two times it's a minimum of 50 years in prison, even if it's just a couple plants for personal use. That's a little extreme if you ask me. I was just reading the part about felony drug charges. And the sections of the act where they are talking about affiliation with terrorist groups, they are only referring to non-domestic groups. So it's alright to be in the KKK. This "War on terrorism" sure has taken a seize fire when it comes to the Klan or some of these militant groups in America that have been declared terrorist organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 I think it is a lot extreme. How do they justify that? If a grower is local, that means that all the production and circulation of money remains inside the US, and never touches a single "terrorist" bank account. From what I gather (I haven't made it through the entire bill linked in Æ°'s first post), this is basically going to make anyone who uses or handles drugs in this country a terrorist by definition. Bump for all you apathetic fucktards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WREK Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 great. now lets build more prisons, and raise my tuition some more. arm,leg,leg,arm,head. pz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 hump. Marijuana: Anything over an ounce is a felony, right? (USA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 And another thing... Do you think that it's coincidence that they are making an attempt to pass some shit like this right around the anniversary of the September 11th attacks? I bet they are going to use that as a tool from now on, to get support for their more obvious violations of human rights. Maybe people will get the feeling they would be "unpatriotic" if they don't support a bill to make life harder for "terrorists" right around Sep. 11th. And maybe the powers at be know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 ok are you guys not like understanding that weed is illegal? and growing for personal use or otherwise is a felony? the laws not gonna change just leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 TIME TO EVOLVE IDEAS Marijuana vs. Tobacco and alcohol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by rip ok are you guys not like understanding that weed is illegal? and growing for personal use or otherwise is a felony? the laws not gonna change just leave it alone. Hey, no shit there smart guy. The legallity of marijuana is not the issue here, though I see how discussion could easily head down that path. You are welcome to start another thread to parade yourself around in if you want to puruse it. I'm going to try to stay on topic with the VICTORY act (I love these acronyms they come up with, how are you going to fight against an act called "patriot" or "victory" and keep public opinion on your side?). The way this bill is written will change people who use drugs (not just marijuana) from "drug users" to "narco-terrorists". Let me know if you need me to hold your hand through anything else, because I think you might have problems considering the implications of that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by Don't Panic Hey, no shit there smart guy. The legallity of marijuana is not the issue here, though I see how discussion could easily head down that path. You are welcome to start another thread to parade yourself around in if you want to puruse it. I'm going to try to stay on topic with the VICTORY act (I love these acronyms they come up with, how are you going to fight against an act called "patriot" or "victory" and keep public opinion on your side?). The way this bill is written will change people who use drugs (not just marijuana) from "drug users" to "narco-terrorists". Let me know if you need me to hold your hand through anything else, because I think you might have problems considering the implications of that change. man fuck you, wtf do you think people were talkin about. askin how much they can carry till its a felony an shit. get a fuckin life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by rip man fuck you, wtf do you think people were talkin about. askin how much they can carry till its a felony an shit. get a fuckin life. :bawling: Huh? Sit back, take a few deep breaths, and try to be coherent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by Æ° Victory Act To Target Drug Dealers as Terrorist Drug users and drug dealers may soon be treated like terrorists if the proposed Victory Act is passed by Congress. The Victory Act stands for the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist greatly expands the Justice Department’s power. Law enforcement agents could soon be able to seize personal records without court orders, to secretly search the homes of drug users and dealers. In addition the legislation would classify some drug offenses as terrorism and it would lower the standards for the government to tap home phones and computers. A Democratic House aide who has seen the legislation told ABC News: "This bill would treat drug possession as a 'terrorist offense' and drug dealers as 'narco-terrorist kingpins. To say that terrorist groups use a small percentage of the drug trafficking in the United States to finance terrorism may be a fair point, but this bill would allow the government to prosecute most drug cases as terrorism cases." The aide concluded "It really seems to be more about a political agenda to jail drug users than a serious attempt to stop terrorists." The Justice Department has denied it played any part in drafting the legislation. * From www.democracynow.org ahahahaha all you drug users are screwd. lol thats great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 pockets of evolutionary resistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Æ° Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 Has the Air force been involved in any "low intensity warfare" lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rip Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by Æ° Has the Air force been involved in any "low intensity warfare" lately? the hell if i know im a system admin and network defender. go ask the combat controllers or para rescue. im sure theyll be happy to tell your smart ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by rip the hell if i know im a system admin and network defender. go ask the combat controllers or para rescue. im sure theyll be happy to tell your smart ass. As opposed to your dumb ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 BUM BUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguy Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 gun ownership: its patriotic to posess tools designed specifically to kill and maim. marijuana posession: an act of terrorism to smoke a piece of vegetation. american laws are freaking insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Alchohol is way worse than marijuana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by Don't Panic As opposed to your dumb ass? um sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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