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the state and future of mainstream hip hop

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by stylus1, Jan 4, 2004.

  1. stylus1

    stylus1 Junior Member

    Joined: Jun 20, 2003 Messages: 222 Likes Received: 0
    Seeing as most will say the relation of graffiti and the hip hop world is still a tight bond, I think this topic deserves its 15 minutes of play on this forum. I listen to just about every type of music these days, and a lot of writers don't regularly listen to hip hop recently, which is cool. But for many, Hip hop may have sparked first interested in graffiti.
    I've been asking myself if I'm the only one thats been playing slight attention to pathetic load of shit that comes out and gets called hip hop, rap, whatever lately. When I first got into rap, i obviously got sucked in by main stream rappers, Biggie Smalls, Nas, Jay-Z, Dr. Dre, Method Man, etc. If you look at what is currently being released, it has strayed so far from what i started with, its all weaker, stupider, and even more meaningless than its predecessor generation. Am I supposed to look at "Chingy" as a respected, real MC. What the Fuck? I saw a video with Nick Cannon the other day fronting to be a hard ass motherfuck, Nick Cannon the kid with a Nickelodeon show is supposed to be a "gangster" now. 50 Cent is supposed to be the hottest MC since Tupac, there is nothing that sets that guy apart from the rest, his flow is hardly average, maybe average at best. He had Production from rich people, and he got promoted by rich people. I don't care if he's real, and got shot, that nigger has no respect from me whatsoever, he fucking sucks, and he talks like a retard when people interview, fucker has horrible english - (This is what's wrong with America.) I only ask myself what people like Big-L and Biggie would have to say about the state of the current Mainstream Hip Hop scene. I think these two would honestly be insulted by the people that followed their footsteps. I'd like to hear Guru's opinion. What happened to B-Boys, Graff Writers, MCs and DJs? What happened to the influence from the Ghetto, Since when is rap no longer a reflection of a lifestyle, -It's been replaced by ass shaking, bitches, party music, "Tha Holidae Inn," and a group of bitch ass shitty rappers. I suppose the underground still exists, but i don't have the time or effort to hunt for my music anymore. I'm too busy being disgusted with the music that is being presented to me, I'm to busy changing the channel. Future generations will soon have the wrong of impression on what used to be the best music in the world.
  2. i11igul

    i11igul Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 5, 2003 Messages: 1,810 Likes Received: 0
    'Cause nowadays yall rappers are carbon
    Copies paws are sloppy, still its hard to stop me

    And let's see if the gimmick last until the next season
    In a flash, take your stupid ass out, give me the next reason

    -same team, no games

    thats what guru thinks
  3. krs702

    krs702 Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 6, 2000 Messages: 1,212 Likes Received: 0
    time changes and evolves so does rap and graffiti
  4. DETO

    DETO Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Apr 25, 2002 Messages: 11,348 Likes Received: 155
    • amen.
  5. i11igul

    i11igul Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 5, 2003 Messages: 1,810 Likes Received: 0
    oh yes, and fuck nick cannon and r. kelly, those mutherfucks between the two of them put out like 4 r&b poppy piece of shit radio songs a month, its bullshit
  6. firsttake

    firsttake Member

    Joined: Feb 10, 2003 Messages: 411 Likes Received: 0
    atleast half of mainstream hiphop has always sucked though mang. even when biggie and 2pac were out there was tons of crap on the radio. i agree that all thoes artists blow, but theres some good shit getting play now ie. gangstarr, jayz, dipset, kanye...

    ps, that college dropout shit is crazy ill
  7. SmallieBigs2

    SmallieBigs2 Banned

    Joined: Dec 24, 2003 Messages: 133 Likes Received: 0

    "Dat nigga Stylus don't know what he be talkin bout. Dis da new hiphop, and its here ta stay. Fukk dat wack ol skool shit, nigguh!"



  8. Scrabble

    Scrabble Member

    Joined: Jun 5, 2003 Messages: 735 Likes Received: 0

    I definately hear you on that...
    But you have to look at the age of most people that buy the music. This is what they want to hear. Thats all thats really matters to most artists. Sure, they are missing out on good shit, but like dude said, music changes and evolves. Its not going to be how it was forever, and its not going to stay like it is forever. Artists like that come and go. Pretty soon people wont know who Nick Cannon is. Relax, and just keep doing what your doing, listen to what youve been listening to. Everything will be alright. I dont know what else to tell you. You cant fight city hall....well you can, but im definitely too lazy to, and I dont know how. I cant remember what I was talking about now...

    ahh, yes. As for the future of mainstream hiphop. One word. Me. ScrabMasterGeneral Oner. I play a mean triangle. Coming to a city near you. Look out derty.
  9. Daze One Million

    Daze One Million Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 12, 2001 Messages: 3,804 Likes Received: 0
    i believe its called falling off, it happens to every rapper, writer, actor, who ever, they no longer feel the need to try as hard because they are allready established, take jay-z for instance..hes about to retire, wtf for??? because hes lazy, i know that if i were him i would not do that to my fans, in my eyes he has no respect for his fans, its his fans that made him who he is, and now that he got what he needed from them hes gonna leave um flat with the black album, thats all folks, personally i dont care for jayz, my real favorite rap artists is bone thugs, not many people feel um because 1 they dont know what they are saying and 2 they dont get promoted like a mofo with a dvd included with thier album showcasing them being shot 9 times, but even with thier hit crossroads they still put in work and they still are doing thier thing, krayzie even said it himself in an interview he wont stop doing what he loves untill the day he dies, thats what music should be about doing it because you love it, not because you'll get rich and famouse
  10. Kes_One_HTFD

    Kes_One_HTFD Member

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002 Messages: 659 Likes Received: 0
    i agree with daze, rappers like jay z would be no where without the fans. People sweat the dude like hes the shit, he got more respect when he was rollin with Big L. And whats up with all these mainstream rappers thinkin there still on the block, when they damn well know they chill in there masions and there little VIP parties and dont go out and hussle on the block. They might have done it back then, but they sure as hell arent doin it now, and rappers talkin bout packin AK's and shit, they need to stop that, aint gettin no where. I listen to mainstream shit, like whoo kid mixtapes and green lantern and tony touch mixtapes, but i also listen to underground shit, and even some of the underground shit is gettin wack. People like aesop rock and el p, those dudes might roll with nice mc's like vast aire and yakballz, but i personally think aesop and el p suck. Slug and anticon and those dudes out there from minneapolis are pretty wack too, sage francis is nice with the spoken word stee, but those other dudes are all nerd hip hop, but yea, thats what i think.
  11. DREDZ

    DREDZ Senior Member

    Joined: Dec 14, 2002 Messages: 1,934 Likes Received: 0
    mainstream hiphop is the way it is because of the AnR's. If you don't have a particular type of steez or sound, then you aren't gonna be put on; and American pop music, right now, is all about making carbon copies of something that sold before, and shoving it down the public's throats. If you persistantly beat some people over the head with something long enough, they'll, eventually, start to think like you want them to. That's why Ja Rule got sooooo... much air and video play. He's fucking wack (in my opinion), but, after a while, the average person is like..."well, he's all over the radio and tv, so he must be cool"; and they buy into his bullshit image. Mainstream hiphop won't change until the fans start to demand something different...or until the next trend (to exploit) comes along.
  12. dojafx

    dojafx Member

    Joined: Nov 20, 2001 Messages: 831 Likes Received: 0
    thank you kes one, from someone thats from minnesota
    atmosphere is wack
    they get their mics snatched
  13. Hank Parker

    Hank Parker Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 17, 2002 Messages: 1,902 Likes Received: 0
    Just as long as I have my rocket car and my solid gold house. I couldn't give one fuck as to where hiphop goes.
  14. Kes_One_HTFD

    Kes_One_HTFD Member

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002 Messages: 659 Likes Received: 0
    yea, those dudes get no respect, on some old school shit, they straight up get the gas face.
  15. LungFactory

    LungFactory Junior Member

    Joined: Feb 25, 2003 Messages: 202 Likes Received: 0
    "Could you do better?" that leaves no room for shit talking atmo