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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by BROWNer, Nov 2, 2001.

  1. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    anybody care to drop some links or knowledge(other than the basic whateverisms of who they are etc.)...
    i worked with an ex-military guy the other day and we started getting into the special
    forces...like various weaponry he was aware of, special devices etc..he says he was down in 'central US' and worked with them(special forces) for an unspecified time(he wouldn't tell me where, when or for how long) and i just started thinking out loud about my recent interest in the psyops forces....
    he told me that he met 2 psyops personnel down there and learned a bunch of stuff that would 'seriously rattle the average rational persons mind'...
    he made a point of telling me he witnessed 2 psyops guys carving tattoos into their arms with knives for 4 hours straight sober...
    i asked him to sum up the psyops with one descriptive word...he responded 'totally sinister'. what the fuck? i want to talk about this shit..
    on another note..psyops worked for cnn for a while back at the early-mid nineties:eek:
    and probably still are(?).

    *edited for spelling
  2. shameless self promotion

    shameless self promotion 12oz Legend

    Joined: Mar 7, 2001 Messages: 16,307 Likes Received: 112
    I have some info, but whatcha need to know...if you want to learn alot theres books out there...
  3. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    hook it up...books, links, whatever....thanks
  4. nomadawhat

    nomadawhat Veteran Member

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    never heard of them, but i would like to know more. sound like some OG's
  5. fiberoptical

    fiberoptical New Jack

    Joined: Apr 26, 2001 Messages: 31 Likes Received: 0
    Well I have read alot about these things..and we are under a really big one right now...the biggest one ever , possibly.I find it intresting that CNN will now start and cloase their "news casts" with footage of the WTC getting hit?..Why?..Well it has a major impact on the National psyche. It will help keep people in a daze..traumatized and scared.Fear is the motivating factor...we are now willing to submit to cavity searches to get on a plane. We are kool with giving intelligence agencies more freedom to control us.The motivation for psyops is multi faceted.Hollywood has alot ot do with it..alot of films are conditioning tools that prepare us for what is coming to prevent what is known as "future schock"...therefore we are ready for it.There was a TV show last year called conveniently " the lone gunman" that had a show where a plane was remotely controlled and directed into the WTC. Now is this merely coincidence?...I think not.
    I have viewed a psyops manual and they are horrifying.the tactics are based on a deep uunderstanding of the human mind, condition and thought patterns.A lot of this knowledge is esoteric in nature and deals with many varied aspects of sciences, alchemy, and studies, that have worked at this for quite a long time.Many having links back to ancient practices and rituals...the undertanding of the "primal" mind enables alot of these to be carried out.Man is a simple creature in many ways..and knowledge of the base systems that operate on this plane enables one to penetrate, and mold one's train of thought or behavior.Many of the violences that occur in the US by certain "lone nuts" are merely manchurian canidates that have been psyop'ed into committing them.Mere fall guys for the progression of an ageneda.There is always someone who benefits from these acts....I will refrain for now..here is a document to review...not totally about psyops but is reflective of the agenda behind psyops.......Long Live Winston Smith.

    Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

    An introductory programming manual
    Operations Research
    Technical Manual


    This publication marks the 25th anniversary of the Third World War,
    called the "Quiet War," being conducted using subjective biological
    warfare, fought with "silent weapons."

    This book contains an introductory description of this war, its
    strategies, and its weaponry.

    May 1979 #74-1120


    It is patently impossible to discuss social engineering or the
    automation of a society, i.e., the engineering of social automation
    systems (silent weapons) on a national or worldwide scale without
    implying extensive objectives of social control and destruction of human
    life, i.e., slavery and genocide.

    This manual is in itself an analog declaration of intent. Such a
    writing must be secured from public scrutiny. Otherwise, it might be
    recognized as a technically formal declaration of domestic war.
    Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of
    great power and without full knowledge and consent of the public, uses
    such knowledge and methodology for economic conquest -- it must be
    understood that a state of domestic warfare exists between said person
    or group of persons and the public.

    The solution of today's problems requires an approach which is
    ruthlessly candid, with no agonizing over religious, moral or cultural

    You have qualified for this project because of your ability to look at
    human society with cold objectivity, and yet analyze and discuss your
    observations and conclusions with others of similar intellectual
    capacity without a loss of discretion or humility. Such virtues are
    exercised in your own best interest. Do not deviate from them.


    Silent weapon technology has evolved from Operations Research (O.R.),
    a strategic and tactical methodology developed under the military
    management [Eisenhower] in England during World War II. The original
    purpose of Operations Research was to study the strategic and tactical
    problems of air and land defense with the objective of effective use
    of limited military resources against foreign enemies (i.e.,

    It was soon recognized by those in positions of power that the same
    methods might be useful for totally controlling a society. But better
    tools were necessary.

    Social engineering (the analysis and automation of a society) requires
    the correlation of great amounts of constantly changing economic
    information (data), so a high-speed computerized data-processing
    system was necessary which could race ahead of the society and predict
    when society would arrive for capitulation.

    Relay computers were too slow, but the electronic computer, invented
    in 1946 by J. Presper Eckert and John W. Mauchly, filled the bill.

    The next breakthrough was the development of the simplex method of
    linear programming in 1947 by the mathematician George B. Dantzig.

    Then in 1948, the transistor, invented by J. Bardeen, W. H. Brattain,
    and W. Shockley, promised great expansion of the computer field by
    reducing space and power requirements.

    With these three inventions under their direction, those in positions
    of power strongly suspected that it was possible for them to control
    the whole world with the push of a button.

    Immediately, the Rockefeller Foundation got in on the ground floor by
    making a four-year grant to Harvard College, funding the Harvard
    Economic Research Project for the study of the structure of the
    American economy. One year later, in 1949, the United States Air
    Force joined in.

    In 1952 the original grant period terminated, and a high-level meeting
    of the elite was held to determine the next phase of social operations
    research. The Harvard project had been very fruitful, as is borne out
    by the publication of some of its results in 1953 suggesting the
    feasibility of economic (social) engineering. (Studies in the
    Structure of the American Economy -- copyright 1953 by Wasily
    Leontief, International Sciences Press Inc., White Plains, New York.)

    Engineered in the last half of the decade of the 1940s, the new Quiet
    War machine stood, so to speak, in sparkling gold-plated hardware on
    the showroom floor by 1954.

    With the creation of the maser in 1954, the promise of unlocking
    unlimited sources of fusion atomic energy from the heavy hydrogen in
    sea water and the consequent availability of unlimited social power
    was a possibility only decades away.

    The combination was irresistible.

    The Quiet War was quietly declared by the International Elite at a
    meeting held in 1954.

    Although the silent weapons system was nearly exposed 13 years later,
    the evolution of the new weapon-system has never suffered any major

    This volume marks the 25th anniversary of the beginning of the Quiet
    War. Already this domestic war has had many victories on many fronts
    throughout the world.


    In 1954 it was well recognized by those in positions of authority that
    it was only a matter of time, only a few decades, before the general
    public would be able to grasp and upset the cradle of power, for the
    very elements of the new silent-weapon technology were as accessible
    for a public utopia as they were for providing a private utopia.

    The issue of primary concern, that of dominance, revolved around the
    subject of the energy sciences.


    Energy is recognized as the key to all activity on earth. Natural
    science is the study of the sources and control of natural energy, and
    social science, theoretically expressed as economics, is the study of
    the sources and control of social energy. Both are bookkeeping
    systems: mathematics. Therefore, mathematics is the primary energy
    science. And the bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept
    ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping.

    All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The
    end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the

    In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called
    "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it
    was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their
    intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence.
    Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and

    Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and
    tranquility, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the
    American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the
    natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and
    irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined,
    responsible, and worthy few.

    In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create,
    secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of
    weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation
    and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name "silent

    In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the
    magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities
    (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is
    totally predictable and manipulatable.

    In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class
    elements of the society must be brought under total control, i.e.,
    must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social
    duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to
    question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such
    conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a
    process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the
    establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the
    occupationally orphaned children.

    The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the
    poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior
    class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the
    inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower
    class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves
    from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to
    maintaining some measure of social order, peace, and tranquility for
    the ruling upper class.


    Everything that is expected from an ordinary weapon is expected from a
    silent weapon by its creators, but only in its own manner of

    It shoots situations, instead of bullets; propelled by data
    processing, instead of a chemical reaction (explosion); originating
    from bits of data, instead of grains of gunpowder; from a computer,
    instead of a gun; operated by a computer programmer, instead of a
    marksman; under the orders of a banking magnate, instead of a military

    It makes no obvious explosive noises, causes no obvious physical or
    mental injuries, and does not obviously interfere with anyone's daily
    social life.

    Yet it makes an unmistakable "noise," causes unmistakable physical and
    mental damage, and unmistakably interferes with daily social life,
    i.e., unmistakable to a trained observer, one who knows what to look

    The public cannot comprehend this weapon, and therefore cannot believe
    that they are being attacked and subdued by a weapon.

    The public might instinctively feel that something is wrong, but
    because of the technical nature of the silent weapon, they cannot
    express their feeling in a rational way, or handle the problem with
    intelligence. Therefore, they do not know how to cry for help, and do
    not know how to associate with others to defend themselves against it.

    When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts / adapts
    to its presence and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives
    until the pressure (psychological via economic) becomes too great and
    they crack up.

    Therefore, the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare. It
    attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals of a
    society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their
    sources of natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and
    emotional strengths and weaknesses.


    "Give me control over a nation's currency,
    and I care not who makes its laws."

    Mayer Amschel Rothschild
    (1743 - 1812)

    Today's silent weapons technology is an outgrowth of a simple idea
    discovered, succinctly expressed, and effectively applied by the
    quoted Mr. Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Mr. Rothschild discovered the
    missing passive component of economic theory known as economic
    inductance. He, of course, did not think of his discovery in these
    20th-century terms, and, to be sure, mathematical analysis had to wait
    for the Second Industrial Revolution, the rise of the theory of
    mechanics and electronics, and finally, the invention of the
    electronic computer before it could be effectively applied in the
    control of the world economy.


    In the study of energy systems, there always appear three elementary
    concepts. These are potential energy, kinetic energy, and energy
    dissipation. And corresponding to these concepts, there are three
    idealized, essentially pure physical counterparts called passive

    (1) In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of potential
    energy is associated with a physical property called elasticity or
    stiffness, and can be represented by a stretched spring.

    In electronic science, potential energy is stored in a capacitor
    instead of a spring. This property is called capacitance instead of
    elasticity or stiffness.

    (2) In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of kinetic
    energy is associated with a physical property called inertia or mass,
    and can be represented by a mass or a flywheel in motion.

    In electronic science, kinetic energy is stored in an inductor (in a
    magnetic field) instead of a mass. This property is called inductance
    instead of inertia.

    (3) In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of energy
    dissipation is associated with a physical property called friction or
    resistance, and can be represented by a dashpot or other device which
    converts system energy into heat.

    In electronic science, dissipation of energy is performed by an
    element called either a resistor or a conductor, the term "resistor"
    being the one generally used to express the concept of friction, and
    the term "conductor" being generally used to describe a more ideal
    device (e.g., wire) employed to convey electronic energy efficiently
    from one location to another. The property of a resistance or
    conductor is measured as either resistance or conductance reciprocals.

    In economics these three energy concepts are associated with:

    (1) Economic Capacitance -- Capital (money, stock/inventory,
    investments in buildings and durables, etc.)
    (2) Economic Conductance -- Goods (production flow coefficients)
    (3) Economic Inductance -- Services (the influence of the population
    of industry on output)

    All of the mathematical theory developed in the study of one energy
    system (e.g., mechanics, electronics, etc.) can be immediately applied
    in the study of any other energy system (e.g., economics).


    What Mr. Rothschild had discovered was the basic principle of power,
    influence, and control over people as applied to economics. That
    principle is "when you assume the appearance of power, people soon
    give it to you."

    Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency or deposit loan accounts
    had the required appearance of power that could be used to induce
    people (inductance, with people corresponding to a magnetic field)
    into surrendering their real wealth in exchange for a promise of
    greater wealth (instead of real compensation). They would put up real
    collateral in exchange for a loan of promissory notes. Mr. Rothschild
    found that he could issue more notes than he had backing for, so long
    as he had someone's stock of gold as a persuader to show to his

    Mr. Rothschild loaned his promissory notes to individuals and to
    governments. These would create overconfidence. Then he would make
    money scarce, tighten control of the system, and collect the
    collateral through the obligation of contracts. The cycle was then
    repeated. These pressures could be used to ignite a war. Then he
    would control the availability of currency to determine who would win
    the war. That government which agreed to give him control of its
    economic system got his support.

    Collection of debts was guaranteed by economic aid to the enemy of the
    debtor. The profit derived from this economic methodology made Mr.
    Rothschild all the more able to extend his wealth. He found that the
    public greed would allow currency to be printed by government order
    beyond the limits (inflation) of backing in precious metal or the
    production of goods and services (gross national product, GNP).


    In this structure, credit, presented as a pure element called
    "currency," has the appearance of capital, but is, in fact, negative
    capital. Hence, it has the appearance of service, but is, in fact,
    indebtedness or debt. It is therefore an economic inductance instead
    of an economic capacitance, and if balanced in no other way, will be
    balanced in no other way, will be balanced by the negation of
    population (war, genocide). The total goods and services represent
    real capital called the gross national product, and currency may be
    printed up to this level and still represent economic capacitance; but
    currency printed beyond this level is subtractive, represents the
    introduction of economic inductance, and constitutes notes of

    War is therefore the balancing of the system by killing the true
    creditors (the public which we have taught to exchange true value for
    inflated currency) and falling back on whatever is left of the
    resources of nature and regeneration of those resources.

    Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency gave him the power to
    rearrange the economic structure to his own advantage, to shift
    economic inductance to those economic positions which would encourage
    the greatest economic instability and oscillation.

    The final key to economic control had to wait until there was
    sufficient data and high-speed computing equipment to keep close watch
    on the economic oscillations created by price shocking and excess
    paper energy credits -- paper inductance/inflation.


    Thea aviation field provided the greatest evolution in economic
    engineering by way of the mathematical theory of shock testing. In
    this process, a projectile is fired from an airframe on the ground and
    the impulse of the recoil is monitored by vibration transducers
    connected to the airframe and wired to chart recorders.

    By studying the echoes or reflections of the recoil impulse in the
    airframe, it is possible to discover critical vibrations in the
    structure of the airframe which either vibrations of the engine or
    aeolian vibrations of the wings, or a combination of the two, might
    reinforce resulting in a resonant self-destruction of the airframe in
    flight as an aircraft. From the standpoint of engineering, this means
    that the strengths and weaknesses of the structure of the airframe in
    terms of vibrational energy can be discovered and manipulated.


    To use this method of airframe shock testing in economic engineering,
    the prices of commodities are shocked, and the public consumer
    reaction is monitored. The resulting echoes of the economic shock are
    interpreted theoretically by computers and the psycho-economic
    structure of the economy is discovered. It is by this process that
    partial differential and difference matrices are discovered that
    define the family household and make possible its evaluation as an
    economic industry (dissipative consumer structure).

    Then the response of the household to future shocks can be predicted
    and manipulated, and society becomes a well-regulated animal with its
    reins under the control of a sophisticated computer-regulated social
    energy bookkeeping system.

    Eventually every individual element of the structure comes under
    computer control through a knowledge of personal preferences, such
    knowledge guaranteed by computer association of consumer preferences
    (universal product code -- UPC -- zebra-stripe pricing codes on
    packages) with identified consumers (identification via association
    with the use of a credit card and later a permanent "tattooed" body
    number invisible under normal ambient illumination...


    ...The Harvard Economic Research Project (194:cool: was an extension of
    World War II Operations Research. Its purpose was to discover the
    science of controlling an economy: at first the American economy, and
    then the world economy. It was felt that with sufficient mathematical
    foundation and data, it would be nearly as easy to predict and control
    the trend of an economy as to predict and control the trajectory of a
    projectile. Such has proven to be the case. Moreover, the economy
    has been transformed into a guided missle on target.

    The immediate aim of the Harvard project was to discover the economic
    structure, what forces change that structure, how the behavior of the
    structure can be predicted, and how it can be manipulated. What was
    needed was a well-organized knowledge of the mathematical structures
    and interrelationships of investment, production, distribution, and

    To make a short story of it all, it was discovered that an economy
    obeyed the same laws as electricity and that all of the mathematical
    theory and practical and computer know-how developed for the
    electronic field could be directly applied in the study of economics.
    This discovery was not openly declared, and its more subtle
    implications were and are kept a closely guarded secret, for example
    that in an economic model, human life is measured in dollars, and that
    the electric spark generated when opening a switch connected to an
    active inductor is mathematically analogous to the initiation of a

    The greatest hurdle which theoretical economists faced was the
    accurate description of the household as an industry. This is a
    challenge because consumer purchases are a matter of choice which in
    turn is influenced by income, price, and other economic factors.

    This hurdle was cleared in an indirect and statistically approximate
    way by an application of shock testing to determine the current
    characteristics, called current technical coefficients, of a household

    Finally, because problems in theoretical economics can be translated
    very easily into problems in theoretical electronics, and the solution
    translated back again, it follows that only a book of language
    translation and concept definition needed to be written for economics.
    The remainder could be gotten from standard works on mathematics and
    electronics. this makes the publication of books on advanced
    economics unnecessary, and greatly simplifies project security.


    An ideal industry is defined as a device which receives value from
    other industries in several forms and converts into one specific
    product for sales and distribution to other industries. It has
    several inputs and one output. What the public normally thinks of as
    one industry is really an industrial complex where several industries
    under one roof produce one or more products...


    Industries fall into three categories or classes by type of output:

    Class #1 - Capital (resources)
    Class #2 - Goods (commodities or use -- dissipative)
    Class #3 - Services (action of population)

    (1) Nature - sources of energy and raw materials.
    (2) Government - printing of currency equal to gross national product
    (GNP), and extension (inflation) of currency in excess of GNP.
    (3) Banking - loaning of money for interest, and extension (inflation
    / counterfeiting) of economic value through deposit loan accounts.

    Class #2 industries exist as producers of tangible or consumer
    (dissipated) products. This sort of activity is usually recognized
    and labeled by the public as an "industry."

    Class #3 industries are those which have service rather than a
    tangible product as their output. These industries are called (1)
    households, and (2) governments. Their output is human activity of a
    mechanical sort, and their basis is population.


    The whole economic system can be represented by a three-industry model
    if one allows the names of the outputs to be (1) capital, (2) goods,
    and (3) services. The problem with this representation is that it
    would not show the influence of , say, the textile industry on the
    ferrous metal industry. This is because both the textile industry and
    the ferrous metal industry would be contained within a single
    classification called the "goods industry" and by this process of
    combining or aggregating these two industries under one system block
    they would lose their economic individuality.


    A national economy consists of simultaneous flows of production,
    distribution, consumption, and investment. If all of these elements
    including labor and human functions are assigned a numerical value in
    like units of measure, say, 1939 dollars, then this flow can be
    further represented by a current flow in an electronic circuit, and
    its behavior can be predicted and manipulated with useful precision.

    The three ideal passive energy components of electronics, the
    capacitor, the resistor, and the inductor correspond to the three
    ideal passive energy components of economics called the pure
    industries of capital, goods, and services, respectively.

    Economic capacitance represents the storage of capital in one form or

    Economic conductance represents the level of conductance of materials
    for the production of goods.

    Economic inductance represents the inertia of economic value in
    motion. This is a population phenomenon known as services.


    An electrical inductor (e.g., a coil of wire) has an electric current
    as its primary phenomenon and a magnetic field as its secondary
    phenomenon (inertia). Corresponding to this, and economic inductor
    has a flow of economic value as its primary phenomenon and a
    population field as its secondary phenomenon of inertia. When the
    flow of economic value (e.g., money) diminishes, the human population
    field collapses in order to keep the economic value (money) flowing
    (extreme case -- war).

    This public inertia is a result of consumer buying habits, expected
    standard of living, etc., and is generally a phenomenon of self-


    (1) Population
    (2) Magnitude of the economic activities of the government.
    (3) The method of financing these government activities (See Peter-
    Paul Principle -- inflation of currency.)


    (A few examples will be given.)

    Charge -- coulombs -- dollars (1939).

    Flow / Current -- ampheres (coulombs per second) -- dollars of flow
    per year.

    Motivating Force -- volts -- dollars (output) demand.

    Conductance -- amperes per volt -- dollars of flow per year per dollar

    Capacitance -- coulombs per volt -- dollars of production inventory /
    stock per dollar demand.


    An ideal industry may be symbolized electronically in various ways.
    The simplest way is to represent a demand by a voltage and a supply by
    a current. When this is done, the relationship between the two
    becomes what is called an admittance, which can result from three
    economic factors: (1) hindsight flow, (2) present flow, and (3)
    foresight flow.

    Foresight flow is the result of that property of living entities to
    cause energy (food) to be stored for a period of low energy (e.g., a
    winter season). It consists of demands made upon an economic system
    for that period of low energy (winter season).

    In a production industry it takes several forms, one of which is known
    as a production stock or inventory. In electronic symbology this
    specific industry demand (a pure capital industry) is represented by
    capacitance and the stock or resource is represented by a stored
    charge. Satisfaction of an industry demand suffers a lag because of
    the loading effect of inventory priorities.

    Present flow ideally involves no delays. It is, so to speak, input
    today for output today, a "hand to mouth" flow. In electronic
    symbology, this specific industry demand (a pure use industry) is
    represented by a conductance which is then a simple economic valve (a
    dissipative element).

    Hindsight flow is known as habit or inertia. In electronics this
    phenomenon is the characteristic of an inductor (economic analog = a
    pure service industry) in which a current flow (economic analog = flow
    of money) creates a magnetic field (economic analog = active human
    population) which, if the current (money flow) begins to diminish,
    collapse (war) to maintain the current (flow of money -- energy).

    Other large alternatives to war as economic inductors or economic
    flywheels are an open-ended social welfare program, or an enormous
    (but fruitful) open-ended space program.

    The problem of stabilizing the economic system is that there is too
    much demand on account of (1) too much greed and (2) too much

    This creates excessive economic inductance which can only be balanced
    with economic capacitance (true resources or value -- e.g., in goods
    or services).

    The social welfare program is nothing more than an open-ended credit
    balance system which creates a false capital industry to give
    nonproductive people a roof over their heads and food in their
    stomachs. This can be useful, however, because the recipients become
    state property in return for the "gift," a standing army for the
    elite. for he who pays the piper picks the tune.

    Those who get hooked on the economic drug, must go to the elite for a
    fix. In this, the method of introducing large amounts of stabilizing
    capacitance is by borrowing on the future "credit" of the world. This
    is a fourth law of motion -- onset, and consists of performing an
    action and leaving the system before the reflected reaction returns to
    the point of action -- a delayed reaction.

    The means of surviving the reaction is by changing the system before
    the reaction can return. By this means, politicians become popular in
    their own time and the public pays for it later. In fact, the measure
    of such a politician is the delay time.

    The same thing is achieved by a government by printing money beyond
    the limit of the gross national product, an economic process called
    inflation. This puts a large quantity of money into the hands of the
    public and maintains a balance against their greed, creates a false
    self-confidence in them and, for awhile, stays the wolf from the door.

    They must eventually resort to war to balance the account, because war
    ultimately is merely the act of destroying the creditor, and the
    politicians are the publicly hired hit men that justify the act to
    keep the responsibility and blood off the public conscience. (See
    section on consent factors and social-economic structuring.)

    If the people really cared about their fellow man, they would control
    their appetites (greed, procreation, etc.) so that they would not have
    to operate on a credit or welfare social system which steals from the
    worker to satisfy the bum.

    Since most of the general public will not exercise restraint, there
    are only two alternatives to reduce the economic inductance of the

    (1) Let the populace bludgeon each other to death in a war, which will
    only result in a total destruction of the living earth.

    (2) Take control of the world by the use of economic "silent weapons"
    in a form of "quiet warfare" and reduce the economic inductance of the
    world to a safe level by a process of benevolent slavery and genocide.

    The latter option has been taken as the obviously better option. At
    this point it should be crystal clear to the reader why absolute
    secrecy about the silent weapons is necessary. The general public
    refuses to improve its own mentality and its faith in its fellow man.
    It has become a heard of proliferating barbarians, and, so to speak, a
    blight upon the face of the earth.

    They do not care enough about economic science to learn why they have
    not been able to avoid war despite religious morality, and their
    religious or self-gratifying refusal to deal with earthly problems
    renders the solution of the earthly problem unreachable by them.

    It is left to those few who are truly willing to think and survive as
    the fittest to survive, to solve the problem for themselves as the few
    who really care. Otherwise, exposure of the silent weapon would
    destroy our only hope of preserving the seed of future true


    The industries of finance (banking), manufacturing, and government,
    real counterparts of the pure industries of capital, goods, and
    services, are easily defined because they are generally logically
    structured. Because of this their processes can be described
    mathematically and their technical coefficients can be easily deduced.
    This, however, is not the case with the service industry known as the
    household industry.


    ...The problem which a theoretical economist faces is that the
    consumer preferences of any household is not easily predictable and
    the technical coefficients of any one household tend to be a
    nonlinear, very complex, and variable function of income, prices, etc.

    Computer information derived from the use of the universal product
    code in conjunction with credit-card purchase as an individual
    household identifier could change this state of affairs, but the
    U.P.C. method is not yet available on a national or even a
    significant regional scale. To compensate for this data deficiency,
    an alternate indirect approach of analysis has been adopted known as
    economic shock testing. This method, widely used in the aircraft
    manufacturing industry, develops an aggregate statistical sort of

    Applied to economics, this means that all of the households in one
    region or in the whole nation are studied as a group or class rather
    than individually, and the mass behavior rather than individual
    behavior is used to discover useful estimates of the technical
    coefficients governing the economic structure of the hypothetical
    single-household industry...

    One method of evaluating the technical coefficients of the household
    industry depends upon shocking the prices of a commodity and noting
    the changes in the sales of all the commodities.


    In recent times, the application of Operations Research to the study
    of the public economy has been obvious for anyone who understands the
    principles of shock testing.

    In the shock testing of an aircraft airframe, the recoil impulse of
    firing a gun mounted on that airframe causes shock waves in that
    structure which tell aviation engineers the conditions under which
    parts of the airplane or the whole airplane or its wings will start to
    vibrate or flutter like a guitar string, a flute reed, or a tuning
    fork, and disintegrate or fall apart in flight.

    Economic engineers achieve the same result in studying the behavior of
    the economy and the consumer public by carefully selecting a staple
    commodity such as beef, coffee, gasoline, or sugar, and then causing a
    sudden change or shock in its price or availability, thus kicking
    everybody's budget and buying habits out of shape.

    They then observe the shock waves which result by monitoring the
    changes in advertising, prices, and sales of that and other

    The objective of such studies is to acquire the know-how to set the
    public economy into a predictable state of motion or change, even a
    controlled self-destructive state of motion which will convince the
    public that certain "expert" people should take control of the money
    system and reestablish security (rather than liberty and justice) for
    all. When they subject citizens are rendered unable to control their
    financial affairs, they, of course, become totally enslaved, a source
    of cheap labor.

    Not only the prices of commodities, but also the availability of labor
    can be used as the means of shock testing. Labor strikes deliver
    excellent test shocks to an economy, especially in the critical
    service areas of trucking (transportation), communication, public
    utilities (energy, water, garbage collection), etc.

    By shock testing, it is found that there is a direct relationship
    between the availability of money flowing in an economy and the
    psychological outlook and response of masses of people dependent upon
    that availability.

    For example, there is a measurable quantitative relationship between
    the price of gasoline and the probability that a person would
    experience a headache, feel a need to watch a violent movie, smoke a
    cigarette, or go to the tavern for a mug of beer.

    It is most interesting that, by observing and measuring the economic
    modes by which the public tries to run from their problems and escape
    from reality, and by applying the mathematical theory of Operations
    Research, it is possible to program computers to predict the most
    probable combination of created events (shocks) which will bring about
    a complete control and subjugation of the public thru a subversion of
    the public economy (by shaking the plum tree)...


    Economic amplifiers are the active components of economic engineering.
    The basic characteristic of any amplifier (mechanical, electrical, or
    economic) is that it receives an input control signal and delivers
    energy from an independent energy source to a specified output
    terminal in a predictable relationship to that input control signal.

    The simplest form of economic amplifier is a device called

    If a person is spoken to by a T.V. advertiser as if he were a twelve-
    year-old, then, due to suggestibility, he will, with a certain
    probability, respond or react to that suggestion with the uncritical
    response of a twelve-year-old and will reach into his economic
    reservoir and deliver its energy to buy that product on impulse when
    he passes it in the store.

    An economic amplifier may have several inputs and outputs. Its
    response might be instantaneous or delayed. Its circuit symbol might
    e a rotary switch if its options are exclusive, qualitative, or "go"
    or "no go," or it might have its parametric input / output
    relationships specified by a matrix with internal energy sources

    Whatever its form might be, its purpose is to govern the flow of
    energy from a source to an output sink in direct relationship to an
    input control signal. For this reason, it is called an active circuit
    element or component.

    Economic Amplifiers fall into classes called strategies, and, in
    comparison with electronic amplifiers, the specific internal functions
    of an economic amplifier are called logistical instead of electrical.

    In the design of an economic amplifier we must have some idea of at
    least five functions, which are

    (1) the available input signals,
    (2) the desired output-control objectives,
    (3) the strategic objective,
    (4) the available economic power sources,
    (5) the logistical options.

    The process of defining and evaluating these factors and incorporating
    the economic amplifier into an economic system has been popularly
    called Game Theory.

    The design of an economic amplifier begins with a specification of the
    power level of the output, which can range from personal to national.
    The second condition is accuracy of response, i.e., how accurately the
    output action is a function of the input commands. High gain combined
    with strong feedback helps to deliver the required precision.

    Most of the error will be in the input data signal. Personal input
    data tends to be specific, while national input data tends to be


    Questions to be answered:

    (1) what (3) where (5) why
    (2) when (4) how (6) who

    General sources of information:

    (1) telephone taps (3) analysis of garbage
    (2) surveillance (4) behavior of children in school

    Standard of living by:

    (1) food (3) shelter
    (2) clothing (4) transportation

    Social contacts:

    (1) telephone - itemized record of calls
    (2) family - marriage certificates, birth certificates, etc.
    (3) friends, associates, etc.
    (4) memberships in organizations
    (5) political affiliation


    Personal buying habits, i.e., personal consumer preferences:

    (1) checking accounts
    (2) credit-card purchases
    (3) "tagged" credit-card purchases - the credit-card purchase of
    products bearing the U.P.C. (Universal Product Code)


    (1) checking accounts (5) automobile, etc.
    (2) savings accounts (6) safety deposit at bank
    (3) real estate (7) stock market
    (4) business


    (1) creditors (3) loans
    (2) enemies (see - legal)

    Government sources (ploys)*:

    (1) Welfare (4) doles
    (2) Social Security (5) grants
    (3) U.S.D.A. surplus food (6) subsidies

    *Principle of this ploy -- the citizen will almost always make the
    collection of information easy if he can operate on the "free sandwich
    principle" of "eat now, and pay later."

    Government sources (via intimidation):

    (1) Internal Revenue Service
    (2) OSHA
    (3) Census
    (4) etc.

    Other government sources -- surveillance of U.S. mail.


    Strengths and weaknesses:

    (1) activities (sports, hobbies, etc.)
    (2) see "legal" (fear, anger, etc. -- crime record)
    (3) hospital records (drug sensitivities, reaction to pain, etc.)
    (4) psychiatric records (fears, angers, disgusts, adaptability,
    reactions to stimuli, violence, suggestibility or hypnosis, pain,
    pleasure, love, and sex)

    Methods of coping -- of adaptability -- behavior:

    (1) consumption of alcohol
    (2) consumption of drugs
    (3) entertainment
    (4) religious factors influencing behavior
    (5) other methods of escaping from reality

    Payment modus operandi (MO) -- pay on time, etc.:

    (1) payment of telephone bills
    (2) energy purchases
    (3) water purchases
    (4) repayment of loans
    (5) house payments
    (6) automobile payments
    (7) payments on credit cards

    Political sensitivity:

    (1) beliefs (3) position (5) projects/activities
    (2) contacts (4) strengths/weaknesses

    Legal inputs -- behavioral control (Excuses for investigation, search,
    arrest, or employment of force to modify behavior)

    (1) court records (4) reports made to police
    (2) police records -- NCIC (5) insurance information
    (3) driving record (6) anti-establishment acquaintances


    Business sources (via I.R.S., etc):

    (1) prices of commodities
    (2) sales
    (3) investments in
    (a) stocks/inventory
    (B) production tools and machinery
    © buildings and improvements
    (d) the stock market

    Banks and credit bureaus:

    (1) credit information
    (2) payment information

    Miscellaneous sources:

    (1) polls and surveys
    (2) publications
    (3) telephone records
    (4) energy and utility purchases


    Outputs -- create controlled situations -- manipulation of the economy,
    hence society -- control by control of compensation and income.


    (1) allocates opportunities.
    (2) destroys opportunities.
    (3) controls the economic environment.
    (4) controls the availability of raw materials.
    (5) controls capital.
    (6) controls bank rates.
    (7) controls the inflation of the currency.
    (8) controls the possession of property.
    (9) controls industrial capacity.
    (10) controls manufacturing.
    (11) controls the availability of goods (commodities).
    (12) controls the prices of commodities.
    (13) controls services, the labor force, etc.
    (14) controls payments to government officials.
    (15) controls the legal functions.
    (16) controls the personal data files -- uncorrectable by the party slandered.
    (17) controls advertising.
    (18) controls media contact.
    (19) controls material available for T.V. viewing
    (20) disengages attention from real issues.
    (21) engages emotions.
    (22) creates disorder, chaos, and insanity.
    (23) controls design of more probing tax forms.
    (24) controls surveillance.
    (25) controls the storage of information.
    (26) develops psychological analyses and profiles of individuals.
    (27) controls legal functions [repeat of 15]
    (28) controls sociological factors.
    (29) controls health options.
    (30) preys on weakness.
    (31) cripples strengths.
    (32) leaches wealth and substance.


    Do this: To get this:

    Keep the public ignorant Less public organization

    Maintain access to control Required reaction to outputs (prices,
    points for feedback sales)

    Create preoccupation Lower defenses

    Attack the family unit Control of the education of the young

    Give less cash and more More self-indulgence and more data
    credit and doles

    Attack the privacy Destroy faith in this sort of
    of the church government

    Social conformity Computer programming simplicity

    Minimize the tax protest Maximum economic data, minimum
    enforcement problems

    Stabilize the consent Simplicity coefficients

    Tighten control of variables Simpler computer input data --
    greater predictability

    Establish boundary Problem simplicity / solutions of
    conditions differential and difference equations

    Proper timing Less data shift and blurring

    Maximize control Minimum resistance to control

    Collapse of currency Destroy the faith of the American
    people in each other.


    Experience has proven that the simplest method of securing a silent
    weapon and gaining control of the public is to keep the public
    undisciplined and ignorant of basic systems principles on the one
    hand, while keeping them confused, disorganized, and distracted with
    matters of no real importance on the other hand.

    This is achieved by:

    (1) disengaging their minds; sabotaging their mental activities;
    providing a low-quality program of public education in mathematics,
    logic, systems design and economics; and discouraging technical

    (2) engaging their emotions, increasing their self-indulgence and
    their indulgence in emotional and physical activities, by:

    (a) unrelenting emotional affrontations and attacks (mental and
    emotional rape) by way of a constant barrage of sex, violence, and
    wars in the media -- especially the T.V. and the newspapers.

    (B) giving them what they desire -- in excess -- "junk food for
    thought" -- and depriving them of what they really need.

    (3) rewriting history and law and subjecting the public to the deviant
    creation, thus being able to shift their thinking from personal needs
    to highly fabricated outside priorities.

    These preclude their interest in and discovery of the silent weapons
    of social automation technology.

    The general rule is that there is profit in confusion; the more
    confusion, the more profit. Therefore, the best approach is to create
    problems and then offer the solutions.


    Media: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real
    social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.

    Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real
    economics, real law, and real history.

    Entertainment: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth-grade

    Work: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back
    on the farm with the other animals.


    A silent weapon system operates upon data obtained from a docile
    public by legal (but not always lawful) force. Much information is
    made available to silent weapon systems programmers through the
    Internal Revenue Service. (See Studies in the Structure of the
    American Economy for an I.R.S. source list.)

    This information consists of the enforced delivery of well-organized
    data contained in federal and state tax forms collected, assembled,
    and submitted by slave labor provided by taxpayers and employers.

    Furthermore, the number of such forms submitted to the I.R.S. is a
    useful indicator of public consent, an important factor in strategic
    decision making. Other data sources are given in the Short List of

    Consent Coefficients -- numerical feedback indicating victory status.
    Psychological basis: When the government is able to collect tax and
    seize private property without just compensation, it is an indication
    that the public is ripe for surrender and is consenting to enslavement
    and legal encroachment. A good and easily quantified indicator of
    harvest time is the number of public citizens who pay income tax
    despite an obvious lack of reciprocal or honest service from the


    The next step in the process of designing an economic amplifier is
    discovering the energy sources. The energy sources which support any
    primitive economic system are, of course, a supply of raw materials,
    and the consent of the people to labor and consequently assume a
    certain rank, position, level, or class in the social structure; i.e.,
    to provide labor at various levels in the pecking order.

    Each class, in guaranteeing its own level of income, controls the
    class immediately below it, hence preserves the class structure. This
    provides stability and security, but also government from the top.

    As time goes on and communication and education improve, the lower-
    class elements of the social labor structure become knowledgeable and
    envious of the good things that the upper-class members have. They
    also begin to attain a knowledge of energy systems and the ability to
    enforce their rise through the class structure.

    This threatens the sovereignty of the elite.

    If this rise of the lower classes can be postponed long enough, the
    elite can achieve energy dominance, and labor by consent no longer
    will hold a position of an essential economic energy source.

    Until such energy dominance is absolutely established, the consent of
    people to labor and let others handle their affairs must be taken into
    consideration, since failure to do so could cause the people to
    interfere in the final transfer of energy sources to the control of
    the elite.

    It is essential to recognize that at this time, public consent is
    still an essential key to the release of energy in the process of
    economic amplification.

    Therefore, consent as an energy release mechanism will now be


    The successful application of a strategy requires a careful study of
    inputs, outputs, the strategy connecting the inputs and the outputs,
    and the available energy sources to fuel the strategy. This study is
    called logistics.

    A logistical problem is studied at the elementary level first, and
    then levels of greater complexity are studied as a synthesis of
    elementary factors.

    This means that a given system is analyzed, i.e., broken down into its
    subsystems, and these in turn are analyzed, until, by this process,
    one arrives at the logistical "atom," the individual.

    This is where the process of synthesis properly begins, and at the
    time of the birth of the individual.


    From the time a person leaves its mother's womb, its every effort is
    directed toward building, maintaining, and withdrawing into artificial
    wombs, various sorts of substitute protective devices or shells.

    The objective of these artificial wombs is to provide a stable
    environment for both stable and unstable activity; to provide a
    shelter for the evolutionary processes of growth and maturity -- i.e.,
    survival; to provide security for freedom and to provide defensive
    protection for offensive activity.

    This is equally true of both the general public and the elite.
    However, there is a definite difference in the way each of these
    classes go about the solution of problems.


    The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a
    political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate
    their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want
    a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the
    head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe
    their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that
    everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

    This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician,
    meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and
    delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the

    This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and
    expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic
    weapon, useful against a disgusting public.


    Most people want to be able to subdue and/or kill other human beings
    which disturb their daily lives, but they do not want to have to cope
    with the moral and religious issues which such an overt act on their
    part might raise. Therefore, they assign the dirty work to others
    (including their own children) so as to keep the blood off their own
    hands. They rave about the humane treatment of animals and then sit
    down to a delicious hamburger from a whitewashed slaughterhouse down
    the street and out of sight. But even more hypocritical, they pay
    taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively
    called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government.


    Again, most people want to be free to do things (to explore, etc.) but
    they are afraid to fail.

    The fear of failure is manifested in irresponsibility, and especially
    in delegating those personal responsibilities to others where success
    is uncertain or carries possible or created liabilities (law) which
    the person is not prepared to accept. They want authority (root word
    -- "author"), but they will not accept responsibility or liability.
    So they hire politicians to face reality for them.


    The people hire the politicians so that the people can:

    (1) obtain security without managing it.
    (2) obtain action without thinking about it.
    (3) inflict theft, injury, and death upon others without having to
    contemplate either life or death.
    (4) avoid responsibility for their own intentions.
    (5) obtain the benefits of reality and science without exerting
    themselves in the discipline of facing or learning either of these

    They give the politicians the power to create and manage a war machine

    (1) provide for the survival of the nation/womb.
    (2) prevent encroachment of anything upon the nation/womb.
    (3) destroy the enemy who threatens the nation/womb.
    (4) destroy those citizens of their own country who do not conform for
    the sake of stability of the nation/womb.

    Politicians hold many quasi-military jobs, the lowest being the police
    which are soldiers, the attorneys and the C.P.A.s next who are spies
    and saboteurs (licensed), and the judges who shout the orders and run
    the closed union military shop for whatever the market will bear. The
    generals are industrialists. The "presidential" level of commander-
    in-chief is shared by the international bankers. The people know that
    they have created this farce and financed it with their own taxes
    (consent), but they would rather knuckle under than be the hypocrite.

    Thus, a nation becomes divided into two very distinct parts, a docile
    sub-nation and a political sub-nation. The political sub-nation
    remains attached to the docile sub-nation, tolerates it, and leaches
    its substance until it grows strong enough to detach itself and then
    devour its parent.


    In order to make meaningful computerized economic decisions about war,
    the primary economic flywheel, it is necessary to assign concrete
    logistical values to each element of the war structure -- personnel
    and material alike.

    This process begins with a clear and candid description of the
    subsystems of such a structure.

    (As military service)

    Few efforts of human behavior modification are more remarkable or more
    effective than that of the socio-military institution known as the
    draft. A primary purpose of the draft or other such institution is to
    instill, by intimidation, in the young males of a society the
    uncritical conviction that the government is omnipotent. He is soon
    taught that a prayer is slow to reverse what a bullet can do in an
    instant. Thus, a man trained in a religious environment for eighteen
    years of his life can, by this instrument of the government, be broken
    down, be purged of his fantasies and delusions in a matter of mere
    months. Once that conviction is instilled, all else becomes easy to

    Even more interesting is the process by which a young man's parents,
    who purportedly love him, can be induced to send him off to war to his
    death. Although the scope of this work will not allow this matter to
    be expanded in full detail, nevertheless, a coarse overview will be
    possible and can serve to reveal those factors which must be included
    in some numerical form in a computer analysis of social and war

    We begin with a tentative definition of the draft. The draft
    (selective service, etc.) is an institution of compulsory collective
    sacrifice and slavery, devised by the middle-aged and the elderly for
    the purpose of pressing the young into doing the public dirty work.
    It further serves to make the youth as guilty as the elders, thus
    making criticism of the elders by the youth less likely (Generational
    Stabilizer). It is marketed and sold to the public under the label of
    "patriotic = national" service.

    Once a candid economic definition of the draft is achieved, that
    definition is used to outline the boundaries of a structure called a
    Human Value System, which in turn is translated into the terms of game
    theory. The value of such a slave laborer is given in a Table of
    Human Values, a table broken down into categories by intellect,
    experience, post-service job demand, etc.

    Some of these categories are ordinary and can be tentatively evaluated
    in terms of the value of certain jobs for which a known fee exists.
    Some jobs are harder to value because they are unique to the demands
    of social subversion, for an extreme example: the value of a mother's
    instruction to her daughter, causing that daughter to put certain
    behavioral demands upon a future husband ten or fifteen years hence;
    thus, by suppressing his resistance to a perversion of a government,
    making it easier for a banking cartel to buy the State of New York in,
    say, twenty years.

    Such a problem leans heavily upon the observations and data of wartime
    espionage and many types of psy
  6. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    yea....thanks for posting that, but i've already seen it.
  7. T.T Boy

    T.T Boy Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 18, 2001 Messages: 21,803 Likes Received: 41
    come on man, im not gonna read that. lamens terms next time.
  8. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 23, 2000 Messages: 12,434 Likes Received: 86
    cleansheets, if you weren't being sarcastic about that thing with the lone gunman and the plane into the wtc, then you need to follow your own advice and use your brain. think about it logically, how would that get put in there without the director having some connection. "they" wouldn't let something like that be in the hands of some tv show director. why is it people look for a conspiracy in everything? any major event there is someone out there who will come up and convince themselve and others that they know what really happened. and i'm sure that shit happens some of the time. have your theories thats fine, but don't make conclusions. since this is some what scientific shit why are you just accepting a little bit of evidence to make your conclusion. don't you need hard proof to make one? guess not.basically i think people like to get wrapped up in this kinda shit because they wanna feel there is a bigger purpose to lifes events.sometimes there are but i'd say the majority of times there is not. this makes no sense so just ignore it.
  9. fiberoptical

    fiberoptical New Jack

    Joined: Apr 26, 2001 Messages: 31 Likes Received: 0
    by reposting this I did not mean to offend anyone..merely passing the key of knowledge.And obviously it is a long read, but thought stimulating.Point is alot of our media and movies and etc. are well thought out, planned conditioning tools developed by think tanks such as SRI, Tavistock..and many more.The power of persuasion.23.
  10. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 23, 2000 Messages: 12,434 Likes Received: 86
    you keep on worrying about that and getting yourself worked up over it. i'm gonna sit back not worry about whether its true or not. kinda like if i had a genetic disease that would kill me when i turned 30 and there was a test i could take to see if i had it. i wouldn't take it because if i did have it that would suck to know that i was gonna die then.i'd rather live in denial. ignorance is bliss.
  11. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    thats true alot fox....but..its personal preference right?
    nothing is black and white.....
    some people are interested in these things, the grey shades, whether
    its true, false or in between...so why not think about it? to me, how can you
    not think about it? just cuz you want to close your eyes and cover your ears doesn't mean its not an avenue worth going down...
    if you dedicate some time to looking about and reading a ton
    of stuff, especially the news, international and/or local,
    it becomes apparent, at least to me anyhow...that just about everything is corrupt.
    pessimistic..depends.....realist....in my eyes yes.
    some people don't want to hear about it. some do.

    cleansheets: did you used to be under retired hasbeen?

    tt: i'm not sayin' you're too dumb or anything, but give it a read
    man, its not that unreasonable and hard to grasp.
    its actually put into laymen already.

    shameless self promo: dish it up mandinga....
  12. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 23, 2000 Messages: 12,434 Likes Received: 86
    i agree totally. but i just think that a lot of people see this conspiracy shit and they believe in it without questioning it. kinda the opposite of what they intended to do.maybe i'm wrong. but when this guy says that "it's its no coincidence that a tv show had a plane crashing into the wtc and then it happened" and that its all a big plot to desensatize us. i mean there was also an album cover with the same type of shit going on. is that part of the conspiracy too?i doubt. 1, it would be too easy to trace back. 2, if you polled the average person i doubt they had seen the show or the album. therefore putting them through a shitload of trouble to "numb" only a few people.but whatever. everything i think seems to go in a big loop, or maybe a small one.
  13. Xeroshoes

    Xeroshoes Senior Member

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    Wow i actually read all that, it was very interesting. Some parts of it reminded me of the book Foundation by Isaac Asimov, and how through the use of Psychohistory (the science of human behavior in large numbers used to predict the future) they manage to spare mankind from, was it 28,000 years of anarchy? anyhow this shit is pretty crazy, but it is kind of pointless for a single person to concern themself with it.
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    i don't think a show was a part of some conspiracy...
    but i don't think its necessarily that far fetched of a concept
    through entertainment, primarily movies...i mean, product placement is now a staple
    of movies.....surely the producers and directors have knowledge of this...maybe thats 2 different things.....my rational thoughts think, yea right...
    i hear exactly what your saying...some of it is blind faith..i think
    some people search out this stuff, and they come across so
    much stuff that seems so obvious and sinister, that they start
    to think that everything must be like that...
    alot of stuff defies rational thought though, so...

    off topic, but cleansheets, have you looked into the bush family and
    the binladen family oil connections? cheney as well?