the massacre - minnesota shooting

A high school student went on a shooting rampage on this Indian reservation Monday, killing his grandparents at their home and then seven people at his school, "grinning and waving" as he fired, authorities and witnesses said. The gunman was later found shot to death. It was the nation's worst school shooting since the Columbine massacre in 1999.

Students pleaded with the gunman to stop shooting.

"You could hear a girl saying, 'No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?" Sondra Hegstrom told The Pioneer of Bemidji, using the name of the suspected shooter

Not only is this fucked up, but there is no information in the article that explains a motive, as far as i know the witnesses and the authorities arent talking.

I'm surprised he even found 8 people in Red Lake to kill this time of year. If you took everyone that lived within 15 miles of the lake and spread them equally throughout the lake they wouldn't even be able to see another soul. The reason may very well have been he lived in Red Lake during the winter.

thats sad stuff. that kid needed some weed.

The Red Lake Chippewa tribe is one of the poorest in the state of Minnesota, 40% of the residents are unemployed and living below the poverty line. It's also one of the worst performing schools in the state.

My guess would be it's the video games.

very fucked up. the fact this is now a regular occurance in american life makes

it even more tragic.

he really needed sum herb to toke.....he was so fuked up in his mind...

to me.he should of been paintin so he could get shit out of his mind

:hatred:

Link here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/

Teen who killed 9 reportedly admired Hitler

Other students said he was picked on and that he'd made threats

NBC, MSNBC and news services

Updated: 1:19 p.m. ET March 22, 2005

BEMIDJI, Minn. - A troubling profile of the teenager who shot dead nine people emerged on Tuesday — one of a Native American who described himself as a "NativeNazi" and who other students said was regularly picked on for his odd behavior.

The teenager, identified as 17-year-old Jeff Weise, stormed into Red Lake High School on Monday afternoon, shooting dead a guard, a teacher and five students before apparently killing himself. At least 14 other students and teachers were wounded in the nation’s worst school shooting since the Columbine massacre in 1999 that killed 13 people.

Before the school shootings, Weise shot dead his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend at the home he shared with them.

Weise had been placed in the school’s Homebound program for some violation of policy, said school board member Kathryn Beaulieu. Students in that program stay at home and are tutored by a traveling teacher. Beaulieu said she didn’t know what Weise’s violation was, and wouldn’t be allowed to reveal it if she did.

Student Sondra Hegstrom, 17, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that Weise was into goth culture, wore "a big old black trench coat," drew pictures of skeletons, listened to heavy metal music and "talked about death all the time."

A couple of his friends had said he was suicidal, she added, and they said they were watching a movie once when he said, "That would be cool if I shot up the school."

"They didn't think anything of it," Hegstrom said, but "he got terrorized a lot" by others who called him names.

Relatives of Weise told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise's father committed suicide four years ago, and his mother lives in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident, the relatives said.

Online postings about 'racial purity'

Weise was also found by the St. Paul Pioneer Press newspaper to have posted several comments last year on an online forum frequented by neo-Nazis. He used the pen names Todesengel, German for "angel of death," and "NativeNazi."

"I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations," Weise wrote in one session.

He shared the Nazi goal of racial purity, saying that when he talked in school about that for his own Chippewa tribe, "I get the same old argument which seems to be so common around here. 'We need to mix all the races, to combine all the strengths.'"

"They (teachers) don't openly say that racial purity is wrong," he added, "yet when you speak your mind on the subject you get 'silenced' real quick by the teachers and likeminded school officials."

"When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were evil and that Hitler was a very evil man," he said in another posting. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. ... They truly were doing it for the better."

He also wrote that he planned to recruit high school students to join a neo-Nazi movement he hoped to start on his reservation.

"The only ones who oppose my views are the teachers at the high school, and a large portion of the student body who think a Nazi is a Klansman, or a White Supremacist thug," he wrote. "Most of the Natives I know have been poisoned by what they were taught in school."

Students describe ordeal

The school, which is on the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe reservation, has metal detectors but Weise reportedly shot an unarmed guard to get past the station.

Student Reggie Graves said he was watching a movie about Shakespeare in class Monday when he heard Weise blast his way past the metal detector.

Then, in a nearby classroom, he heard Weise say something to his friend Ryan: “He asked Ryan if he believed in God,” Graves said. “And then he shot him.”

During the rampage, teachers herded students from one room to another, trying to move away from the sound of the shooting, said Graves, 14. He said some students crouched under desks.

Student Ashley Morrison said she heard shots, then saw the gunman’s face peering though a door window of a classroom where she was hiding with other students.

With Weise banging on the door, she dialed her mother on her cell phone. “’Mom, he’s trying to get in here and I’m scared,”’ Morrison told her mother.

After banging, the shooter walked away and she heard more shots.

“I can’t even count how many gunshots you heard, there was over 20 ... there were people screaming, and they made us get behind the desk,” she said.

Hegstrom said her classmates pleaded with Weise to stop shooting.

“You could hear a girl saying, ’No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?” she told The Pioneer of Bemidji.

Hegstrom described Weise grinning and waving at a student his gun was pointed at, then swiveling to shoot someone else. “I looked him in the eye and ran in the room, and that’s when I hid,” she said.

Grandfather's guns used?

Red Lake Fire Director Roman Stately identified the shooter’s grandfather as Daryl Lussier, a longtime officer with the Red Lake Police Department, and said Lussier’s guns may have been used in the shootings.

Stately said Weise had two handguns and a shotgun. The teen reportedly drove up to the school in his grandfather's squad car.

“After he shot a security guard, he walked down the hallway shooting and went into a classroom where he shot a teacher and more students,” Stately told Minneapolis television station KARE.

Students and a teacher, Diane Schwanz, said the gunman tried to break down a door to get into her classroom. “I just got on the floor and called the cops,” Schwanz told the Pioneer. “I was still just half-believing it.”

All of the dead students were found in one room.

Martha Thunder’s 15-year-old son, Cody, was being treated for a gunshot wound to the hip.

“He heard gunshots and the teacher said ’No, that’s the janitor’s doing something,’ and the next thing he knew, the kid walked in there and pointed the gun right at him,” Thunder said, standing outside the hospital in Bemidji.

‘Darkest hour' for tribe

Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, called it “without a doubt the darkest hour” in the group’s history.

It was the nation’s worst school shooting since two students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves on April 20, 1999.

The rampage in Red Lake was the second fatal school shooting in Minnesota in 18 months. Two students were killed at Rocori High School in Cold Spring in September 2003. Student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time, awaits trial in the case.

Red Lake High School, on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, has about 300 students.

The reservation is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, one of the poorest in the state. According to the 2000 census, 5,162 people lived on the reservation, and all but 91 were Indians.

Originally posted by sleepyceas2-@Mar 21 2005, 10:11 PM

Not only is this fucked up, but there is no information in the article that explains a motive, as far as i know the witnesses and the authorities arent talking.

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Without even reading the article, I'm willing to bet the kid was probably picked on, tormented, or made fun of because he was different.

I hate seeing shit like this, but maybe some of the "popular" kids in school will start to wise up on torturing kids that aren't cool. Kinda like road rage. Once people figured out it was a good way to end up getting shot, they toned it down a bit.

Here's hoping the victims RIP. sympathies to the families.

It takes some Serious level of psychological impairment to shoot and kill not only your own family , but then 7 more people...............

the only reason i never got my gun and shot up my school is because of graff and marijuana..reminds me of the columbine shooting,im sure that influenced him to do it,that shits not worth it,if your going to kill yourself dont bring 9 other people down with you..

Originally posted by InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser@Mar 22 2005, 11:30 AM

Without even reading the article, I'm willing to bet the kid was probably picked on, tormented, or made fun of because he was different.

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Yeah..I dont know if it was mentioned on the article, but I heard in the news last night, that he was one of them Black trench coat wearin guys, and that in fact he was picked on..Ama do a search on it be back later if I find anything..

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A few quotes from aol news. For some reason I cant post the links..

Jeff Weise was described as a loner who wore black and was often teased by others.

Residents here said they were stunned by Mr. Weise's actions, though they said they had seen signs of trouble. Some said he favored Goth culture and clothing and Nazi philosophy, and had seen him drawing graphic, violent pictures.

Authorities were investigating whether Weise, who dressed in black and wrote stories about zombies, may have posted messages on a neo-Nazi Web site expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler.

 

Using the handle "Todesengel" — German for "Angel of Death" — the writer identified himself as Jeff Weise of the Red Lake Reservation. In April 2004, the writer said he was accused of "a threat on the school I attend," but was later cleared.

 

Tabman said Tuesday he couldn't confirm whether Weise was the person who made the postings. Link to article

Revenge of the nerds...

I can't find it right now but one article also mentioned that his grandfather was a police officer, and the shootings were with his police issue weapon. His grandfather was also 58 I believe, and his girlfriend (NOT his grandmother) was 32. Something strange was definitely going on in that family, I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't stand that situation at home and / or was abused somehow.

Yes his grandfather was a police officer. He used his weapons.

There was a psychologist on NPR today who specializes in school rampages. She says that nearly all of them are the same. Withdrawn kid, picked on in school... etc. etc. usually. This is a United States problem, and it crosses ethnic and class lines.

Basically that psychologist said fuck the status quo, to put it bluntly.

A native american national socialist?

The world is a strange place.

The suicide rate is the highest among native american males.

it was all for the fame.

Pretty sure if I grew up on an Indian reservation in bumble-fuck minnesota...Rased by a cop...I'd have snapped too. :twitch:

must have been a fan of DOOM aye

what exactly are reservations ?

where the US stuck the natives after stealing the land.

so these belong to the indians and US law is invalid on that land, ie. Indian casinos in states that have banns on gambling.

The school shooting thing is a mainly American problem, but there have been copycat crimes in other countries too, Denmark, I think, Germany and France.

It's all about the kid being depressed and suicidal/homicidal and getting bullied at school. This poor kid had a TOTALLY fucked up home life because of his parents (Dad committed suicide, Mom died, etc.) He's all depressed, dresses like the Trenchcoat Mafia, grandpa is on his case because he looks like a goof wearing black eyeliner and wacky hair, but the real problem is getting jocked at school.

YOU WOULD THINK, after all these school shootings, that if some kid comes to school wearing black eyeliner and wearing a black trench coat that they would put his ass straight into a psychiatric unit. What does it take, a big sign that says "I'M A FUCKING WACKED OUT INDIAN NAZI AND I'M GOING TO KILL ALL YOU SORRY BASTARDS AS SOON AS I CAN WORK UP THE ENERGY?"

They need to sweat his buddy, whats-his-name, the son of the tribal leader. I bet he knows the story down to the hit list and the combat service support arrangements.

Note to future School Shooters:

For cryin' out loud, can't you people figure out how to run away from home? I mean, running away is bad, but not as bad as mass murder. There are highways and rail lines going every which way, all over the damned country. Just get whatever money you can find, roll up your sleeping bag and take a vacation.

Bottom line, if your life is fucked up, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF. If you are unhappy, it is NOT somebody else's fault. If you hurt or kill somebody else, you are going to be held accountable for it, and "He was a bully and fucked me around" will not hold up in Court.

Well kabar, the hobo heyday was at its zenith in the beat era, and finally reached it's nadir after the hippie generation.... Nowadays is not a good time to be on the streets.... streets are much more dangerous these days, especially for some young, helpless kids. I suppose they could run away to Social Services... often I've seen they are averse to helping people however. Perhaps due to a lack of funding.

And it's not like these kids are simply "unhappy"... the abuse in school pales in comparison to what happens outside of school.

When I was in high school and middle school alot of kids wore trenchcoats and died hair and sometimes even makeup. Punks, metal heads, new-wavers etc. I don't remember any of them killing anyone. Alot of them could kick ass if they were fucked with too. And in my day "Nazis" whore tight jeans, boots and braces and shaved their heads.

Stop blaiming shit on how kids dress for crying out loud! Who you gonna blaim when some normal jock looking douch shoots up the school?

Hhaha... yeah, the majority of serial killers have no outward indicators.... they don't want to cry out...

people dressing like that are crying out/making a statement or whatever. Probably could be reformed if given the proper attention/treatment.

my favorite thing about this whole story is that that kid shot the security guard at the metal dectector.

a lot of fucking good those things did.

I'm not saying that every day at highschool has to be an episode of telletubbies, but metal dectetors and shit would bring me down every day and would make me edgier in general.

rest in peace kids.

...that is the craziest thing about this...the school had a guard, metal detectors, cameras...all of the prison style crack down that got rolled out on public schools after columbine...and none of it made any difference...the police reponded to the school in less than five minutes...and still this happened...

...but instead of people saying that these measures are pointless and not addressing the real problem (i.e social issues that cause these situations) i'm sure we'll start hearing about how if the guard was armed none of this would have happened...the next thing we know there's gonna be guards with shotguns walking around the lunch room just waiting for a kid to start a food fight...

^Well said^

And it's the truth. They already got public school kids whereing fucking uniforms where I'm at. Imagine what dick heads these kids are gonna grow up to be.

Imagine that we're gonna have to deal with these kids in the workplace and in society in general. :yuck: :heated:

Yeah they started that uniform shit right before my days of school ended. But the other day some gangster brought a gun to a school near my house and it accidently went off in one of his classes.

Originally posted by KaBar2@Apr 1 2005, 05:41 PM

The school shooting thing is a mainly American problem, but there have been copycat crimes in other countries too, Denmark, I think, Germany and France.

 

its simple, if guns were as commonplace as in the States, other western countries would also have kids taking guns to school and blazing people

Say WhiteOx, you don't have Aboriginey reservations in Australia? What's that all about?