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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by BROWNer, Nov 10, 2001.

  1. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    By Hamid Mir

    KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have
    chemical and nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America
    used them against us we reserve the right to use them".

    He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the
    editor of Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed
    location near Kabul.

    This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist
    after the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington.

    The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the night of Nov 7 to a place
    where it was extremely cold and one could hear the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away.
    After a wait of some time , Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman
    Al-Zuwahiri and answered questions.

    Hamid Mir: After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told the Al-Jazeera TV that
    the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by some Muslims. How did you know they were
    Muslims ?

    Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the suspects of the Sept 11
    attacks, saying that the persons named were involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of
    whom 15 belonged to Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. According to
    the information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held for them in their homes. But
    America said they were hijackers.

    HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the Sept 11 attacks, although a
    large number of innocent people perished in them, hundreds among them were Muslims. Can
    you justify the killing of innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ?

    OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy occupies a Muslim
    territory and uses common people as human shield, then it is permitted to attack that enemy.
    For instance, if bandits barge into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father can
    attack the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt.

    America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya, Kashmir and Iraq. The
    Muslims have the right to attack America in reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should
    not live in the land of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at women and
    children. The real targets were America's icons of military and economic power.

    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and children. When he saw a
    dead woman during a war, he asked why was she killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a
    weapon against Muslims, then it is permitted to kill him.

    The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their
    president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them
    to massacre Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and this
    proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims.
    The entire America, because they elect the Congress.

    I ask the American people to force their government to give up anti-Muslim policies. The
    American people had risen against their government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same
    today. The American people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government.

    HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not the American people ?

    OSB: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him).
    The mission is to spread the word of God, not to indulge massacring people. We ourselves are
    the target of killings, destruction and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is
    defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is why I say that if we don't
    get security, the Americans, too would not get security.

    This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand. This is the formula of live
    and let live.

    HM: The head of Egypt's Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict) against you, saying that the
    views and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have nothing to do with Islam. What do you have to say
    about that ?

    OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is full of such Ulema who
    justify Riba, who justify the occupation of Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of
    American troops around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for their
    personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell me if Indian forces
    invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli forces occupy our land and the American
    troops are on our territory. We have no other option but to launch Jihad.

    HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons.
    How much truth is there in such reports?

    OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday (Oct 7). He was scaring the
    European countries that Osama wanted to attack with weapons of mass destruction. I wish to
    declare that if America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with
    chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent.

    HM: Where did you get these weapons from ?

    OSB: Go to the next question.

    HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against American attacks on
    Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those
    non-Muslim protesters ?

    OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West. American media
    instigates them against Muslims. However, some good-hearted people are protesting against
    American attacks because human nature abhors injustice.

    The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware that some officers
    of the State Department had resigned in protest. Many years ago the US ambassador in Egypt
    had resigned in protest against the policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are
    everywhere. The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage.

    HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think that some political
    formula could be found to stop the present war ?

    OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war. We are only defending

    HM: If America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was liberated, would you then
    present yourself for trial in some Muslim country ?

    OSB: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the English law. I don't consider
    Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the Americans have charges against me, we too have a
    charge sheet against them.

    HM: Pakistan government decided to cooperate with America after Sept 11, which you don't
    consider right. What do you think Pakistan should have done but to cooperate with America ?

    OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the people in view. It should not
    have surrendered to the unjustified demands of America. America does not have solid proof
    against us. It just has some surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those surmises.

    HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of India and Israel, what would
    have we done ?

    OSB: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We will not leave the Pakistani
    people and the Pakistani territory at anybody's mercy.

    We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez Musharraf. He says
    that the majority is with him. I say the majority is against him.

    Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It is no wisdom to barter
    off blood of Afghan brethren to improve Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the
    Pakistani people and Allah.

    Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in Afghanistan. All the big powers are
    united against Muslims. It is ' sawab ' to participate in this war.

    HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had secretly gone to
    Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ?

    OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One British newspaper has
    published an imaginary interview with Islamabad dateline with one of my sons who lives in
    Saudi Arabia. All this is false.

    HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your daughter is Mulla Omar's
    wife ?

    OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are married to Arab
    Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla Omar. He is a great and brave Muslim
    of this age. He does not fear anyone but Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or
    obligation to me. He is only discharging his religious duty. I, too, have not chosen this life out of
    any personal consideration.
  2. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    ISLAMABAD, Nov 10: Journalist Hamid Mir ratcheted up the world's jitters today with an
    exclusive interview with bin Laden in which Osama Bin Laden said he had nuclear and
    chemical weapons and was ready to use them.He's in high spirits, speaking confidently and
    laughing readily. Osama bin Laden is a man at ease even though he feels the Americans will
    eventually kill him, his interviewer Hamid Mir said today.

    Mir, who published the interview in Pakistan's English-language newspaper Dawn, says he
    first met with bin Laden in 1997 and 1998. When he saw the shadowy Saudi millionaire this time
    in Afghanistan, he found him greatly changed.

    "Previously he was very soft-spoken," the 36-year-old Mir told AFP. "But now he speaks like an
    experienced orator. He is very hard-hitting.

    He was in high spirits. He's very healthy and he laughs a lot.

    "He's very critical about the government of Pakistan. Previously he was not so critical about
    Pakistan. So there is a big change in that man. He's more confident," said Mir.

    The world's most hunted man since the September 11 terror attacks on the United States, bin
    Laden feels certain the Americans will kill him sooner or later, according to Mir.

    "He told me, 'I am ready to die.' He said, 'I know that they can bomb this place also. They are
    not aware that I am present here. But they are dropping bombs blindly everywhere. So I may
    get killed even with you."

    "My cause will continue after my death," he quoted bin Laden as saying. "They think they will
    solve this problem by killing me. It's not easy to solve this problem. This war has been spread all
    over the world."

    Bin Laden, who is said to live constantly on the move to avoid capture and reportedly often
    shuttles from cave to cave, expressed no regret for his difficult circumstances.

    "I cannot gain anything by adopting this way of life," Mir quoted him as saying. "I am fighting
    because they are killing us. We are the victims and they are the aggressors so we have no other
    option but to fight back."

    The interview conducted Thursday was bin Laden's first since the kamikaze assaults on New
    York and Washington. But Mir said the terror suspect planned to invite journalists to Kabul for
    a press conference in the coming weeks.

    The tortured logistics of organising Mir's session with bin Laden were typical of the
    clandestine, ultra-security-conscious world surrounding the terror suspect. - AFP
  3. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    WASHINGTON, Nov 10: The White House declined late Friday to directly respond to an
    interview in which Osama bin Laden claimed to have nuclear weapons, but said through a
    spokesman that US officials view such a threat seriously. "We've said that we've suspected all
    along that this organisation has been trying to acquire chemical, biological or nuclear
    weapons," said White House spokesman Ken Lisaius.

    "We take these past statements seriously and we will do everything we can to prevent their
    acquisition of these materials," said Lisaius. However Lisaius did not comment on the
    likelihood that bin Laden may currently posses such an arsenal.

    His comments came in response to an interview in Pakistan in which bin Laden claimed to be in
    possession of nuclear and chemical weapons, and threatened to use them against the United

    Bin Laden, told the Pakistani newspaper Dawn in an interview published today that the
    nuclear weapons would be used as a "deterrent against a US attack.

    "I wish to declare that if America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us then we may
    retort with chemical and nuclear weapons," quoted bin Laden as saying in the interview in
    Kabul. - AFP
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    BROWNer Guest

  5. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    WASHINGTON, Nov 10: The United States said late Friday it would boycott a weekend UN
    meeting aimed at pushing the implementation of a major nuclear test ban treaty. State
    Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Washington would not be represented at the
    meeting, set to begin on Sunday on the sidelines of the annual UN General Assembly session,
    on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) despite an invitation to attend that had been
    extended to it.

    "The conference is for countries which have ratified the CTBT," he said in a brief written
    answer to a question asked at Thursday's State Department news briefing.

    "Other countries, including the United States, have been invited to attend as observers," he
    said. "The United States will not be attending." Boucher did not elaborate.

    Former US president Bill Clinton signed the CTBT in 1996 but the Senate refused to ratify the
    treaty and President George W. Bush has said he is opposed to the pact and will not ask for
    lawmakers to adopt it.

    Uniquely among international treaties, the CTBT cannot come into force until it has been
    ratified by 44 countries named as having a nuclear potential.

    So far, 161 governments have signed the treaty and 84 parliaments have ratified it, but they
    include only 31 of the key states.

    Two of the five declared nuclear weapons states, China and the United States, have signed but
    not ratified the treaty, and unlike the three others, Britain, France and Russia, they are not
    sending ministers to the conference, UN officials said earlier on Friday.

    But Boucher's comments marked the first time the United States had said it would not send
    anyone of any level to the meeting.

    Representatives of 79 nations begin talks Sunday on implementing a treaty, which a senior UN
    official said could lessen the threat of nuclear terrorism, but which remains blocked by 13 key
    countries including the United States.

    Jayantha Dhanapala, head of the United Nations' department of disarmament affairs, said
    UN Secretary General Kofi Annan would exhort the 13 to ratify the treaty in his opening
    speech to the three-day conference. - AFP
  6. SEKrocstar OTR CFC

    SEKrocstar OTR CFC Junior Member

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  7. suburbian bum

    suburbian bum 12oz Loyalist

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    Where did you get these form? I may be a skeptic, but for some reason i dont beleive it.
  8. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Nov 16, 2000 Messages: 10,259 Likes Received: 18

    I got the link off of www.drudgereport.com ... a good site if anyone is interested in getting a quick run-down of the news.

    Thank you for posting this, twink. I read the article right before I came to 12 oz., but reading it again did me some good. Although he doesn't expressly state that he has nukes ... the fact that it can be implied from his statements makes me worry.

  9. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    poop knows the deal. dawn is an english/pakistani newspaper.