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Taliban, Hamas, Castro, Chiapas...

Discussion in 'News' started by Soup, Feb 13, 2006.

  1. Soup

    Soup Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 24, 2002 Messages: 4,425 Likes Received: 283
    This thread is just me asking questions to anyone who's followed the past century of guerilla warfare, or knows where I can find answers. These questions have no basis, I know next to nothing.

    Can anyone draw similarities and differences between these groups? Why do americans wear Zapatista and Che shirts, but hate middle eastern guerilla movements? Besides their political stand against the west, what else are they doing? Taliban took over when the current Afgan government looked incompetent, had we backed them would the west still have been targeted? Is it in America's future to turn Abdel Aziz Rantisi into a pop figure like Che Gueverra?
  2. Soup

    Soup Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 24, 2002 Messages: 4,425 Likes Received: 283
    I'm just throwing shit out to get a discussion going.
  3. Dawood

    Dawood Elite Member

    Joined: May 8, 2002 Messages: 4,677 Likes Received: 147
    in my opinion, it's a religious crusade. They know that Islam is the only threat to democracy as a way of life. I have a very large govt. document that says they plan to destroy Islam in the east and to pacify it in the west. They basically want Islam to be like christianity, just a set of meaningless rituals.
    Agree or disagree, that is what the American govt. themselves say.
    And muslims are not going down without a fight. Muslims know that this is a war against their way of life. The american media wont come right out and say it, but that is the agenda.

    I don't agree with the way the Taliban went about trying to establish themselves. It was too quick , to abrupt.
    Change for the better has to be slow. If you want to establish a society on righteousness and good, then you have to use wisdom. Societies don't get corrupted overnight and you most definately can't change them overnight. People will always see you as an extremist if you try to do drastic things all at once. In my opinion that was the downfall of the taliban.
    They were very abrupt and non compromising. That, coupled with the fact that they wouldn't let America lay pipe in the ground is why they got removed as soon as they had the chance to. (Osama was just the scapegoat)
    That's why saudi is still running smooth. The saudis don't westernise their societies , but they use wisdom in dealing with the big bully America, so they remain. Otherwise, America would've turned their guns on them too.
    Seriously, man, the world needs to figure something out, because the way it's being run now is not working.
  4. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    cause they don't like coca cola.

    (you forgot ho chi min as well)

  5. Dude, c'mon.
  6. Edika

    Edika Member

    Joined: Jun 10, 2003 Messages: 332 Likes Received: 0
    these groups are not similar at all.

    The Zapatistas ( EZLN) from MExico is quiet pacific compared to the other groups. It has nothing to do with terrorism and religious extremists.They never fought (beside one rebellion in early 90s) or made any terrorist attacks. They represent ( at least thats what they say) the cultural resistance of the poor Maya indians vs the mondialisation, capitalism, Mexican power tryng to erase them etc....
    So they have a pretty good image in the left wing population and that kind of groups....
  7. Getzup

    Getzup Member

    Joined: Dec 28, 2005 Messages: 681 Likes Received: 0
    Don't forget about the Iran and isreal threat thats going on in the middle east, I don't think America has any say over whats going to happen. One because the world is still recovering from the dumb war thats going on in Iraq. All of Bush's cabinet stepped down because the Iraq war was totally uncalled for.We went into preemptive war against Terrorism...and ended up with a quagmire of a war.

    Terrorism can't be defined.
    America has learned it lesson from 4G Warfare. Lets,Face it there is going to be a coalition against the United States and U.N....
  8. swedish erotica

    swedish erotica Banned

    Joined: Jan 17, 2006 Messages: 1,758 Likes Received: 2
    we can thank hitler for a lot of it.
  9. Flavicon

    Flavicon Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Messages: 2,367 Likes Received: 18

    Dude, c'mon.
    [post=4315435]Quoted post[/post]​

    yeah, thats pretty much what we want
  10. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 14,171 Likes Received: 272
  11. Flavicon

    Flavicon Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Messages: 2,367 Likes Received: 18
    American teens wear Che shirts because:

    1. They think he's sexy
    2. They are idiots

    Sure, there are probably some very good things about his legacy. (Don't go calling me some right wing nut!) But he was very enthusiatic about killing political oppents. He was responsible for the torture of hundreds in Cuban prison. Kinda like a Gitmo. Also, he was in favor of killing homosexuals. THere were other leaders of his time who were more deomocratic in there thinking, but alas, they didn't have that pretty face and bad ass attitute. Che was a more hard line Authoritarian type.

    "hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine."


    *edit, can't speeel
  12. MAR

    MAR Veteran Member

    Joined: Jun 2, 2005 Messages: 7,264 Likes Received: 256

    Dude, c'mon.
    [post=4315435]Quoted post[/post]​

    Seriously, that was unnessasary and untrue. Even if you dont agree with a religion or the people that practice it you should be respectful of it.

    I know plenty of muslims who are detached from their religion to the point that they will violate their heritage unabashed. To them Islam is the just what you discribed above.
  13. bobthemothafuckinbuilder

    bobthemothafuckinbuilder Junior Member

    Joined: Jan 23, 2006 Messages: 111 Likes Received: 0
    Dawood keeps commenting about how people should respect islam. Fuck you fuck islam fuck muhhamed, you can all suck my dick. Understood? You'd like the whole world to live under shria right? So you can beat your woman for going to school you dumb fuck.
  14. bobthemothafuckinbuilder

    bobthemothafuckinbuilder Junior Member

    Joined: Jan 23, 2006 Messages: 111 Likes Received: 0
    If you're mad enough now you can go outside carry a picket sign, cut off somones head, blow yourself up... or hopefully get shot.
  15. Flavicon

    Flavicon Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Messages: 2,367 Likes Received: 18
    Calm down there buddy boy