bobthedestroyer Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Democrats have launched a campaign against television ads featuring U.S. servicemen and families of slain troops who support the war in Iraq, calling the spots false and "un-American." The first of two ads, which are being tested in Minnesota, was rejected by St. Paul station KSTP because it criticizes the mainstream media. It includes Staff Sgt. Marcellus Wilks of Iowa, Capt. Mark Weber of Iowa and Lt. Col. Bob Stephenson of Minnesota. In the 60-second spot, which can be viewed here, Stephenson, a Marine reservist, says: "You'd never know it from the news reports, but our enemy in Iraq is al-Qaida, the same terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11, the same terrorists from the first World Trade Center bombing, the USS Cole, Madrid, London and many more." Stephenson, who spent five months in Iraq, said in an interview the ad is a chance to show the other side, as Americans hear mostly about death tolls, security problems and other negative aspects of war, the Associated Press reported. "The mainstream media has a message about the war in Iraq that perhaps isn't shared by a lot of people involved in the military," he said. "Some folks that haven't had a different perspective on the war on terror will have this perspective added to the mix." The ads were funded by the Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group Progress for America, which says it's comitted to "forcing the media to report the facts about President Bush's commonsense conservative agenda" and "setting the record straight about liberal groups like Moveon.org, AARP & the unions." Merilee Carlson, mother of slain soldier, in pro-war ad opposed by Democrats in Minnesota The newest ad features Merrilee Carlson of St. Paul, whose son Michael was killed in Iraq last year. This past Memorial Day, the Wall Street Journal published her son's "credo," titled "An American Soldier." Michael Carlson wrote: "When I am on my deathbed, what am I going to look back on? Will it be thirty years of fighting crime and protecting the country of all enemies, foreign and domestic? I want my life to account for something. ... I only have so much time. I want to be good at life; I want to be known as the best of the best at my job. I want people to need me, to count on me. ... I want to fight for something, be part of something that is greater than myself. I want to be a soldier. ... " Carlson, 22, was killed on a mission to take out two bomb-making factories. His mother says in the ad: "We are privileged to have men and women serving in the military who are willing to give their lives, their time, and their energy to preserve, protect and defend our freedom. "We can't leave this work undone in Iraq. We can all argue about how we might have gotten there. But we're there and we need to see it through. ... I suppose we could have taken the beaches at Normandy and then decided it was too expensive or too difficult to keep going. I wonder what the world would look like today." "Swift-boating' the war Last Thursday, top Democratic leaders in Minnesota demanded television stations in the state stop airing the initial ad, calling it "un-American, untruthful and a lie," noted the Minnesota-based weblog Powerline. "There is a line that shouldn't be crossed," said Brian Melendez of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, or DFL as the Democratic Party is known in the state. "There's room for a lot of puffery in politics. You know, there is room for spin, there is room for opinion, there is room for disagreement. There shouldn't be so much room for lies. And this ad is about lies." Powerline reported the DFL sent out an e-mail message, saying, "The ads erroneously make a connection between Iraq and the 9/11 terrorists attacks and suggest that the war in Iraq will prevent an attack by Al Queda in America. The 9/11 Commission findings clearly state that there was no connection between Iraq and the the [sic] Al Queda terrorists attacks on 9/11. We must call for media responsibility regarding this issue." But the ad does not refer to the contentious claim that Iraq was connected to 9-11, alluding only to the fact that the coalition's No. 1 enemy in the country is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of the terrorist group known as Al-Qaida's Jihad Committee in Iraq. The Democrat's letter says the party has "extraordinary sympathy for our troops and their families and believe that while our soldiers' role is to protect the citizens of our country, it is our role as citizens to protect our soldiers and to make certain that they are not misused. It is a travesty that the tragedies of five countries and the deaths of our brave men and women are being used in this type of propaganda." Noting that Minnesota is a testing ground for the ads, the e-mail says, "If Minnesota speaks out and says no to this ad, the entire country can thank us. What we do here, now, will have an enormous impact on the success or failure of this kind of swiftboating in 06." At a press conference, Melendez declared Minnesota "has a chance to take a stand against this misleading and untruthful propaganda," the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. "Minnesota TV stations should pull this ad and send a message that we will not tolerate this kind of 'swift-boating' anymore." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=48913 This is funny, apparantly liberals believe in free speech only when it comes to movies like 9/11.... how does this make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I assume that since people paid out of pocket to see 'movies like 9/11' that it would be awfully hard to make a 'free speech' argument there... Obviously it wasn't free, people had to pay to get the message. These ads don't really bother me though, I know it's propaganda... might as well be a campaign ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthedestroyer Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Fahrenheit 911 was to be shown for free on national TV but the company moore had a deal with didn't want to let it happen... note that there was NO objection of airing that movie by dems or republicans.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 oh what? the democrats are stupid for taking the republicans idea and trying to use it? word. let's not forget these are the same tactics used by politicians everywhere looking to intimidate the public into submission by hurling accusations of being "unpatriotic" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Originally posted by symbols@Feb 22 2006, 04:34 PM intimidate the public into submission Quoted post key words here. thats what politics are today. forget the people and make your agenda happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I think its pathetic to use troops who make no money for propaganda purposes. Look at the group that funded the ads...Propaganda. If they were objective they would have bothssides... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthedestroyer Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Originally posted by Lonesome Cowboy Bill@Feb 22 2006, 06:31 PM I think its pathetic to use troops who make no money for propaganda purposes. Look at the group that funded the ads...Propaganda. If they were objective they would have bothssides... Quoted post Out of highschool, try getting a job that pays 15 grand a year of spending money... with every benefit you could think of, housing paid, clothes paid, food paid etc.... I don't think it's that bad of a deal. Even though private contractors getting paid 80-100k a year is kind of bullshit... Secondly this post is not about propaganda etc. Why the fuck are democrats trying to limit free speech here? Because they don't believe that our number # 1 enemy in iraq is al-queida? It's true what the add states as well, the media is bullshit in covering this war... they only focus on the negatives which by they way are minimal... for every "10 Iraqis killed today" in reality there is 10000 Iraqis who got employed, got to see a doctor, were able to go to school or what not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I think the democrats, among others, don't actually want to fund a war against a nebulous enemy on third party foreign soil, though that probably is the best place to do it. None of your 1 to 1000 comparisons matter if those same Iraqis can't work, see a doctor, or learn when all the boys come home. I think the obvious hypocrisy of sending the National Guard to another nation isn't lost on a lot of folks... just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hey Bobara... I don't think this is a freedom of speech issue. Nobody is using the law to stop the ad or the opinions therein. People using there influence to garner a result they beleive in is the benchmark of politics and beleive me the Republicans are more than familiar with supressing information. You have a news station which stands as a testament of the influence of money over truth - FOX! For the stations this will be a buisness descision, I doubt anyone in this country right now fears Democrats for there political standings and influences... Your mentioning Michael Moore ALMOST getting aired shows how weak your argument is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthedestroyer Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Yea, you're right, I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishbel Bullen Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 CLOSED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Originally posted by bobthedestroyer@Feb 22 2006, 03:50 PM ... for every "10 Iraqis killed today" in reality there is 10000 Iraqis who got employed, got to see a doctor, were able to go to school or what not... Quoted post um, yeah, your going to have to back those numbers up, son. fact check and source me, otherwise your just pulling shit out of the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isor357 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del+Feb 23 2006, 02:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ctrl+alt+del - Feb 23 2006, 02:40 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bobthedestroyer@Feb 22 2006, 03:50 PM ... for every "10 Iraqis killed today" in reality there is 10000 Iraqis who got employed, got to see a doctor, were able to go to school or what not... Quoted post um, yeah, your going to have to back those numbers up, son. fact check and source me, otherwise your just pulling shit out of the air. Quoted post [/b] and what. Who cares. Keep telling yourself that what your doing is necessary and important. In the desert getting shot at for nothing. Brilliant dog. Apply your inaccurate statistic to Americans and i would think... Ok thats good. A resonable allocation of $$$ and manpower. Instead its wasted in backward ass Islamic shithole. People that are mad backward and would kill you just for shits and giggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isor357 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 stupid ass republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Originally posted by isor357+Feb 23 2006, 05:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (isor357 - Feb 23 2006, 05:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del@Feb 23 2006, 02:40 PM <!--QuoteBegin-bobthedestroyer@Feb 22 2006, 03:50 PM ... for every "10 Iraqis killed today" in reality there is 10000 Iraqis who got employed, got to see a doctor, were able to go to school or what not... Quoted post um, yeah, your going to have to back those numbers up, son. fact check and source me, otherwise your just pulling shit out of the air. Quoted post and what. Who cares. Keep telling yourself that what your doing is necessary and important. In the desert getting shot at for nothing. Brilliant dog. Apply your inaccurate statistic to Americans and i would think... Ok thats good. A resonable allocation of $$$ and manpower. Instead its wasted in backward ass Islamic shithole. People that are mad backward and would kill you just for shits and giggles. Quoted post [/b] who the fuck are you talking to? no, really, its not clear at all if you are talking to me or bobthebuilder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Originally posted by bobthedestroyer@Feb 22 2006, 05:59 PM Yea, you're right, I'm wrong. Quoted post Atleast we agree on one thing... I just can't figure out how this section is so crazy and dramatic. I know we all throw insults around but its like a vacume for inteligent conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 vacuum v-a-c-u-u-m vacuum don't ask me why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I don't know if it was your point but I recognize my spelling error - please ask Raven to add a spell check feature here or I'm taking my buisness elsewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 spellcheck feature... what the fuck did I just provide? Chopped ham?! NO! I'm chopped STEAK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isor357 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del+Feb 24 2006, 12:33 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ctrl+alt+del - Feb 24 2006, 12:33 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by isor357@Feb 23 2006, 05:05 PM Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del@Feb 23 2006, 02:40 PM <!--QuoteBegin-bobthedestroyer@Feb 22 2006, 03:50 PM ... for every "10 Iraqis killed today" in reality there is 10000 Iraqis who got employed, got to see a doctor, were able to go to school or what not... Quoted post um, yeah, your going to have to back those numbers up, son. fact check and source me, otherwise your just pulling shit out of the air. Quoted post and what. Who cares. Keep telling yourself that what your doing is necessary and important. In the desert getting shot at for nothing. Brilliant dog. Apply your inaccurate statistic to Americans and i would think... Ok thats good. A resonable allocation of $$$ and manpower. Instead its wasted in backward ass Islamic shithole. People that are mad backward and would kill you just for shits and giggles. Quoted post who the fuck are you talking to? no, really, its not clear at all if you are talking to me or bobthebuilder. Quoted post [/b] I wasnt talking to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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