trackstand Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 INTRODUCTION In this day and age, more than ever, police are using tactics that two years ago would be unthought of. Whether it is being done to repress political activity, stop general crime in communities or simply catch kids doing pen tags on the street it is insane what they can get away with, and what methods they are currently using. This thread is not supposed to get you paranoid, just alert. PHYSICAL CONDITION Undercover cops are cops who have been assigned to undercover work. Ask yourself if the suspect looks like he could be hired as a cop. Is he tall enough to be a cop? Does he seem to be in good enough physical condition to have been hired as a cop? Does he look like he could have passed the physical requirements of the police ascademy? Do you think that he could chase someone, catch him, and handcuff him? Can you plausibly imagine him in a police uniform? For example, if you are certain that he has only one leg, there is no way he is going to be hired as a cop, so he wouldn't be assigned to undercover duty. Chances are your suspect is not an undercover cop. But this isn't always the case. When applying this rule, keep in mind that police recruiters sometimes relax the physical requirements a little (a lot?) to help achieve affirmative action recruitment goals. For example, many jurisdictions will hire a woman even if a man of the same height would be too short. Try to imagine your suspect in uniform, and ask yourself if you've seen cops who look kind of like that in uniform in that vicinity. HOWEVER, police forces also hire civillian police, members of the community who volunteer to ride the lines and walk the streets to alert the police of a crime but not deal with it themselves, therefore, in this instance, it is completely plausible for a man with one leg to be an undercover. Civillian police communicate to cops and undercovers who are also in the area, alerting them of a crime. They often use a cell phone, nextel direct connect or a small walkie talkie. CLOTHING AND PHYSICAL APPEARANCE In Chicago, cops are going through great lengths to blend into their surroundings. But you can always spot an officer by his shoes. For example, if a cop (I have witnessed this before) Is wearing Diesel jeans and a vintage-style button up chances are he would not wear the dress shoes that are associated with the outfit. They obviously need a shoe that they can run in, so chances are they are wearing some form of gym shoe (considering they won't get very far in dress shoes or sandles). But, it is obviously out of the ordainary to wear a pair of New Balance, Aisics or Nike gym/running shoes with the outfit described above. A lot of the time, they will wear a T-shirt (pretty much all the time with some sort of logo on it), a pair of jeans, and gym shoes. When they have a logo on the shirt it is generally a shirt that they own, not just use for work. If you see a suspected undercover, for example, with a Harley Davidson T-shirt on, you should think to yourself, does that fit a cops stereotype, would that be something a cop is interested in personally? Look at their jewlery, necklaces and other accessories. Are they wearing a wedding ring, if so, that may not fit with the personna they are trying to uphold. In Chicago, undercover police are required to carry a badge at all times. I have found that they often carry it around their chests on a beaded metal necklace. It is often encased in a thick leather holder, so you can sometimes see that sticking out against their shirt. TRAVELING IN PAIRS When undercover police travel in pairs, usually there are no more than two or three, and you should see what the suspected undercovers have in common. Usually, they will pair up like the following: man/women (same age range, couple), man/man (around the same age range, with the same sort of attitude and appearance), man/man/women (as in two are the couple and one is the friend). The man to women ratio is generally 1:1 or 2:1. BEHAVIOR, MOVEMENT, CONDUCT Imagine that you were hired as an undercover cop to help make an intersection a little safer. First, you go to the intersection. Choose one of the four corners, and wait. Keep an eye out for what's going on. Does it look as if two people are casing a check-cashing store? Get ready to move. Maybe signal (to nearby undercover cops) the two people who seem to be casing the store. That's the kind of stuff that undercover cops sometimes do. Naturally, the undercover cops don't want to be obvious, but they HAVE to be obvious. An undercover cop might try to casually lean against a wall as if he's waiting for a friend to show up, or waiting for a bus. He might have a newspaper that he pretends to read, or a shopping bag (as if he's shopping). However, he MUST look around. He can't alertly observe everything (which is what he's getting paid to do) if he really is reading the paper. Try to do it yourself. Go to a high-crime neighborhood, find an important intersection, and stand (or sit) there with a half-filled shopping bag as if you're waiting for someone to meet you there. Occasionally look at your watch to see how much more time you'll have to wait for him. Occasionally, briefly try to recognize someone a long way off, as if you think it might be the person you're pretending to wait for. That's the sort of behavior undercover cops engage in. While you're doing all this, try to spot anything criminal (someone sitting in a car selling illegal drugs, a streetwalker trying to get customers, etc.). After you've done it a few times, you'll get much better at spotting others doing it HOW THEY INTERACT WHEN THEY KNOW THEY ARE BEING OVERHEARD Undercover cops in the Chicago area, when on the street or in a subway station, train or bus generally don't talk much to each other when they are watching for crime. (They patiently wait: alert but still, hoping that they're not noticed, waiting for something to happen, then suddenly pouncing as soon as something does happen. Two minutes after the undercover cops make their first move, most ordinary people are walking along the sidewalk without realizing that they are passing a hancuffed person and two or three plainclothes cops standing right by him, with some plainclothes cops watching from across the street, all waiting for a police car to come. That suden, fastmoving arrest out of the blue is one of the ways that you can tell that you were watching undercover cops.) If the undercover cops do talk to each other while you can hear the conversation, it generally sounds fake. When two people argue, they often interrupt each other. When two male friends are together and one is talking, the other often makes wisecracks or interrupts in other friendly ways. People madly in love often finish each other's sentences. When two undercover cops talk knowing that you are listening, one tries to talk authentically, and the other tries to be a good listener. It's lame. It's just not the way civilians in that neighborhood (who look like those two) talk. Their gestures (during conversations which they know are overheard) are even lamer. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE SPOTTED Sometimes, one undercover cop suspects that he's been spotted. Sometimes, he tries to inconspicuously warn his partner (by a nod in the oberver's direction, or some other gesture). The cop's problem is that he can't just walk over and tell his partner, because the two are pretending not to be related. So, the first one has to somehow tip off his partner without seeming to talk to him. You're standing back, watching the whole thing, and it's a dead giveaway (if you already know which person the first cop is trying to inconspicuously signal). Sometimes, the first cop (the one who discovers you watching him) will glance at you now and then, and then walk away. His cover's blown, so he might as well start new somewhere else. Also, he may suspect that you're a criminal about to commit a crime against him, and he may want to entrap you. For example, he may think that you want to rob, beat, or proposition him, and he'll walk somewhere which (he hopes) will tempt you you to try. If he walks away, look for his partner. If there doesn't seem to be a partner, and you're out on the street or in a subway station, you may have been watching someone who wasn't a cop. Of course, don't stalk people. Don't follow someone around who seems to be trying to get away. If you must follow, follow at a considerable distance. Don't bring out anyone's paranoia. [Leave that to cops.] On private property (malls, shopping centers, department stores), there are usually plainclothes security guards who never were cops. Many of them are amazingly stupid, rude, criminal, and heavy-handed. Plainclothes security guards who never were cops make little money, and are often assigned to work on their own (without a partner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeque Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Originally posted by trackstand When they have a logo on the shirt it is generally a shirt that they own, not just use for work. If you see a suspected undercover, for example, with a Harley Davidson T-shirt on, you should think to yourself, does that fit a cops stereotype, would that be something a cop is interested in personally? London undercovers have been known to wear Avirex and skating labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I saw a mixed-race uniformed policeman at the Glastonbury Festival that had dreads all down his back. Out of uniform you never would have guessed he was old bill in a million years. Suspect everyone, and don't be bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Originally posted by trackstand Try to do it yourself. Go to a high-crime neighborhood, find an important intersection, and stand (or sit) there with a half-filled shopping bag as if you're waiting for someone to meet you there. Occasionally look at your watch to see how much more time you'll have to wait for him. Occasionally, briefly try to recognize someone a long way off, as if you think it might be the person you're pretending to wait for. That's the sort of behavior undercover cops engage in. While you're doing all this, try to spot anything criminal (someone sitting in a car selling illegal drugs, a streetwalker trying to get customers, etc.). After you've done it a few times, you'll get much better at spotting others doing it. this is a fine way to get yourself fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutonce Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 whatever, you can spot the undercovers a mile away because they are white males in areas they never appear so they blow their own cover, furthermore niggas know all the black cops anyway, they show face in the hood too much already, so there is no hiding. we spot you fags a mile away. pigs! ps if theres a white guy in the urban area he already is assumed to be a cop. or a fiend, either way we aint fuckin with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney Trotter and don't be bait. realistically the best advice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraloRivera Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Originally posted by Nutonce whatever, you can spot the undercovers a mile away because they are white males in areas they never appear so they blow their own cover, furthermore niggas know all the black cops anyway, they show face in the hood too much already, so there is no hiding. we spot you fags a mile away. pigs! ps if theres a white guy in the urban area he already is assumed to be a cop. or a fiend, either way we aint fuckin with you. YEA YEA YEA NIGGA!!! 2XL!!! DA STREETS IS TALKIN MY NIGGA!!! DA STREEETTSSSS!!!!! SHOUTZ TA DEBO LOCKED DOWN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_dowmagik Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 cops in portland, or have been dressing up like ravers and busting people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i'm feeling what nut is saying to an extent, 80% of the time you see a white person in a high-crime area, he's either a cop or copping rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyLazy Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Under covers are no good. But sometimes they are really easy to spot out. Other times though, they go crazy. Anyone in San Francisco who skates knows how the undercovers go crazy at like Pier 7 and the old EMB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simeone Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 fuck undercovers, and fuck skating being illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobotheHobo Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 i didnt find this shit helpful at all its all just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck taylor Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 this shit is retarded... Try to do it yourself. Go to a high-crime neighborhood, find an important intersection, and stand (or sit) there with a half-filled shopping bag as if you're waiting for someone to meet you there. Occasionally look at your watch to see how much more time you'll have to wait for him. Occasionally, briefly try to recognize someone a long way off, as if you think it might be the person you're pretending to wait for. That's the sort of behavior undercover cops engage in. While you're doing all this, try to spot anything criminal (someone sitting in a car selling illegal drugs, a streetwalker trying to get customers, etc.). After you've done it a few times, you'll get much better at spotting others doing it if you lived in a 'high-crime neighborhood' youd know that this how you get robbed or get your ass beat. dont go out and practice being an undercover, just use common fuckin sense. and bottom line, most undercovers in 'high-crime neighborhoods' will do whatever the fuck they want and wont give a damn if they look obvious cause they dont need a reason to fuck with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 One way to avoid them is to NOT PAINT WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!!! And why would you hit up a tag in front of ANY person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-quiet-1 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 ever watch the shows COPS?? most of those undercovers are dressed in shit clothing,they are fat and bald and still can chase a muthafucka down,throw u to the ground and handcuff you...so thats the biggest crock if shit i have ever heard...SO TRACKSTAND YOU MUST BE AN UNDERCOVER PIG YOURSELF TO START A THREAD LIKE THIS!!:five-o: :five-o: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowkid Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 whether or not there is any worthwhile information here it was a pretty entertaining read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackstand Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 Originally posted by the-quiet-1 SO TRACKSTAND YOU MUST BE AN UNDERCOVER PIG YOURSELF TO START A THREAD LIKE THIS!!:five-o: :five-o: Must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crac Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 man i come to viset this site and im blown away im used to bombing science and all these whack fucking threds fuck.....i think im gonna stay here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiNo-27 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Haha, theres this one cop by this liqour store and since our school is an open campus (means you can go any where for lunch, but be back before the bell) so shit is always goin down there. And this cop acts all retarded shouting out racial slurs and what not to make himself more believeable, but one day my home girl was walkin and saw him get out of his wheel chair and put it in the back of his truck and drive away. She said it was hella funny cause this guy lookin like he hasnt used his legs for a few years just gets up :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goonstock Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 i saw undercovers doing a sting one day. it was wierd. the one i saw was wearing a hat to conceal his ear piece, used to communicate to his fellow officers. he was also on a bike. i thought he was gonna bust my downstairs neighbors. so... look for that ear piece. that a tell tale sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiNo-27 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Yeah and if they start talkin to their "watch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
make_noise Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 do undercovers ever try to get to know there suspects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avils Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 just delete this thread already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 look, we agree on something! did you actually bother to write that 74 page dissertation on the fucking obvious?! was it your freshman thesis? was that your attempt to climb into the annals of graff hsitory or something? jesus christ dude. seriously, if you have time to get a good enough look at someone that you can verify what kind of jewelry they're wearing, then why the fuck are you trying to paint that spot in the first place? i dont know about any of the rest of you, but i very rarely just stand around with a bag of paint, while there are several people near me, trying to pick out which one is a cop. as far as i'm concerned, they're ALL cops. better safe than sorry. even one person is too many, cause he might not be a cop, but he's got a cell phone and if he calls and reports some kids walking around vandalizing, you're not gonna need your 'how to spot an undercover' guide when they pull up in squad cars with the fucking lights flashing. i dont know about chicago, but in ny undercovers roll around in taxi's and in reposessed drug dealer cars. i know of a very famous writer who was nabbed up by undercovers in a lexus suv. i guess dude should have paid closer attention to their shoes, right? lastly, a whole lot more worthwhile topic would be 'how to not get spotted as a writer', which is a class i know you would fail. i can't control how they're going about their business, but i have complete control over how i go about mine., nah'mean?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunm Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Originally posted by seeking i dont know about any of the rest of you, but i very rarely just stand around with a bag of paint, while there are several people near me, trying to pick out which one is a cop. as far as i'm concerned, they're ALL cops. i dont know about chicago, but in ny undercovers roll around in taxi's and in reposessed drug dealer cars. i know of a very famous writer who was nabbed up by undercovers in a lexus suv. i guess dude should have paid closer attention to their shoes, right? lastly, a whole lot more worthwhile topic would be 'how to not get spotted as a writer', Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaCosaNostra Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 you should make that thread...seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 ok, you actually need a thread on how not to look like a writer? take a look at every writer you know... now don't dress anything like them. wear clothes that fit. not two sizes too large, not two sizes too small. when was the last time you saw a frat boy and thought 'that dudes gotta be a writer?' when was the last time you saw a bike messenger/art school, or hip hop looking white kid and thought that? see how easy that was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRYDER Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Originally posted by sneak realistically the best advice here. ditto. u can never be too careful, and try and be dead onto-it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRYDER Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 Originally posted by seeking ok, you actually need a thread on how not to look like a writer? take a look at every writer you know... now don't dress anything like them. wear clothes that fit. not two sizes too large, not two sizes too small. when was the last time you saw a frat boy and thought 'that dudes gotta be a writer?' when was the last time you saw a bike messenger/art school, or hip hop looking white kid and thought that? see how easy that was? ditto again. i take that approach, its unsuspecting to some people. most people suspect writers to be a scruffy unshaven bunch, which is largely correct. but how many would suspect a guy who was cleanly dressed in a more fitted outfit? not many id say. i myself suspect everyone. its safer. but not everyone is as careful..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤¤FoRGE²¤¤ Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 recently i heard of a very fucked up story including a good friend .. my friend was about to paint a rooftop downtown he has bee dying to paint .. when he got on the roof a uc cop saw him and went up there (wearin a backwards cubs hat to the right) and asked what he wrote what crews hes in who he knows and how long hes been writing...trying to play off as a writer himself....the nark asked my friend if he could do a piece and throw his name up in it...the cop pulled a camera out and said he would get flicks..once my friend started painting the cop said 'hey ima take a few action flicks' and he got about 10 flicks of my boy painting....10 minutes later he was like hey can i see that can...and after he got my friends trust he said your under arrest and cuffed him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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