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Spotting undercover cops

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by trackstand, Jul 7, 2004.

  1. trackstand

    trackstand Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 21, 2004 Messages: 2,262 Likes Received: 3
    INTRODUCTION

    In this day and age, more than ever, police are using tactics that two years ago would be unthought of. Whether it is being done to repress political activity, stop general crime in communities or simply catch kids doing pen tags on the street it is insane what they can get away with, and what methods they are currently using. This thread is not supposed to get you paranoid, just alert.


    PHYSICAL CONDITION

    Undercover cops are cops who have been assigned
    to undercover work. Ask yourself if the suspect
    looks like he could be hired as a cop. Is he tall
    enough to be a cop? Does he seem to be in good
    enough physical condition to
    have been hired as a cop? Does he look like he
    could have passed the physical requirements of
    the police ascademy? Do you think that he could chase
    someone, catch him, and handcuff him? Can you
    plausibly imagine him in a police uniform?

    For example, if you are certain that he has only one leg,
    there is no way he is going to be hired as a cop,
    so he wouldn't be assigned to undercover duty.
    Chances are your suspect is not an undercover cop.
    But this isn't always the case.

    When applying this rule, keep in mind that police
    recruiters sometimes relax the physical requirements
    a little (a lot?) to help achieve affirmative action
    recruitment goals. For example, many jurisdictions
    will hire a woman even if a man of the same height
    would be too short. Try to imagine your
    suspect in uniform, and ask yourself if you've seen
    cops who look kind of like that in uniform
    in that vicinity.

    HOWEVER, police forces also hire civillian police, members of the community who volunteer to ride the lines and walk the streets to alert the police of a crime but not deal with it themselves, therefore, in this instance, it is completely plausible for a man with one leg to be an undercover. Civillian police communicate to cops and undercovers who are also in the area, alerting them of a crime. They often use a cell phone, nextel direct connect or a small walkie talkie.

    CLOTHING AND PHYSICAL APPEARANCE

    In Chicago, cops are going through great lengths to blend into their surroundings. But you can always spot an officer by his shoes. For example, if a cop (I have witnessed this before) Is wearing Diesel jeans and a vintage-style button up chances are he would not wear the dress shoes that are associated with the outfit. They obviously need a shoe that they can run in, so chances are they are wearing some form of gym shoe (considering they won't get very far in dress shoes or sandles). But, it is obviously out of the ordainary to wear a pair of New Balance, Aisics or Nike gym/running shoes with the outfit described above.

    A lot of the time, they will wear a T-shirt (pretty much all the time with some sort of logo on it), a pair of jeans, and gym shoes. When they have a logo on the shirt it is generally a shirt that they own, not just use for work. If you see a suspected undercover, for example, with a Harley Davidson T-shirt on, you should think to yourself, does that fit a cops stereotype, would that be something a cop is interested in personally?

    Look at their jewlery, necklaces and other accessories. Are they wearing a wedding ring, if so, that may not fit with the personna they are trying to uphold. In Chicago, undercover police are required to carry a badge at all times. I have found that they often carry it around their chests on a beaded metal necklace. It is often encased in a thick
    leather holder, so you can sometimes see that sticking out against their shirt.

    TRAVELING IN PAIRS

    When undercover police travel in pairs, usually there are no more than two or three, and you should see what the suspected undercovers have in common. Usually, they will pair up like the following: man/women (same age range, couple), man/man (around the same age range, with the same sort of attitude and appearance), man/man/women (as in two are the couple and one is the friend). The man to women ratio is generally 1:1 or 2:1.

    BEHAVIOR, MOVEMENT, CONDUCT

    Imagine that you were hired as an undercover cop to help
    make an intersection a little safer. First, you go to
    the intersection. Choose one of the four corners, and wait.
    Keep an eye out for what's going on. Does it look as
    if two people are casing a check-cashing store? Get ready to
    move. Maybe signal (to nearby undercover cops) the two
    people who seem to be casing the store. That's the kind of
    stuff that undercover cops sometimes do.
    Naturally, the undercover cops
    don't want to be obvious, but they HAVE to be obvious.
    An undercover cop might try to casually lean against a wall
    as if he's waiting for a friend to show up, or waiting for
    a bus. He might have a newspaper that he pretends to read,
    or a shopping bag (as if he's shopping). However, he MUST
    look around. He can't alertly observe everything (which is
    what he's getting paid to do) if he really
    is reading the paper. Try to do it yourself. Go to
    a high-crime neighborhood, find an important intersection,
    and stand (or sit) there with a half-filled shopping bag
    as if you're waiting for someone to meet you there.
    Occasionally look at your watch to see how much more time
    you'll have to wait for him. Occasionally, briefly try
    to recognize someone a long way off, as if you think
    it might be the person you're pretending to wait for.
    That's the sort of behavior undercover cops engage in.
    While you're doing all this, try to spot anything
    criminal (someone sitting in a car selling illegal
    drugs, a streetwalker trying to get customers, etc.).
    After you've done it a few times, you'll get much
    better at spotting others doing it

    HOW THEY INTERACT WHEN THEY KNOW THEY ARE BEING OVERHEARD

    Undercover cops in the Chicago area, when on the street
    or in a subway station, train or bus generally don't talk much to each other
    when they are watching for crime. (They patiently
    wait: alert but still, hoping that they're not noticed,
    waiting for something to happen, then suddenly pouncing
    as soon as something does happen. Two minutes after the
    undercover cops make
    their first move, most ordinary people are walking
    along the sidewalk without realizing
    that they are passing a hancuffed person and two or three
    plainclothes cops standing right by him,
    with some plainclothes cops watching from
    across the street, all waiting for a police car to come.
    That suden, fastmoving arrest out of the blue
    is one of the ways that you can tell that you were
    watching undercover cops.)
    If the undercover cops do talk to each other
    while you can hear the conversation,
    it generally sounds fake.

    When two people argue, they often interrupt each other.
    When two male friends are together and one is talking,
    the other often makes wisecracks or interrupts in other
    friendly ways. People madly in love often finish
    each other's sentences.

    When two undercover cops talk knowing that you are listening,
    one tries to talk authentically, and the other tries to be
    a good listener. It's lame. It's just not the way civilians
    in that neighborhood
    (who look like those two) talk.

    Their gestures (during conversations which
    they know are overheard) are even lamer.

    WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE SPOTTED
    Sometimes, one undercover cop suspects that he's been
    spotted. Sometimes, he tries to inconspicuously
    warn his partner (by a nod in the oberver's direction,
    or some other gesture). The cop's problem is that he
    can't just walk over and tell his partner,
    because the two are
    pretending not to be related. So, the first one has
    to somehow tip off his partner without seeming to
    talk to him. You're standing back, watching the whole thing,
    and it's a dead giveaway (if you already know which
    person the first cop is trying to inconspicuously signal).

    Sometimes, the first cop (the one who discovers
    you watching
    him) will glance at you now and then, and then walk away.
    His cover's blown, so he might as well start new somewhere
    else. Also, he may suspect that you're a
    criminal about to
    commit a crime against him, and he may want to entrap you.
    For example, he may think that you want to rob, beat, or
    proposition him, and he'll walk somewhere which (he hopes)
    will tempt you you to try. If he walks away, look for his
    partner. If there doesn't seem to be a
    partner, and you're
    out on the street or in a subway station, you may have
    been watching someone who wasn't a cop. Of course,
    don't stalk people. Don't follow someone around who
    seems to be trying to get away. If you must follow,
    follow at a considerable distance. Don't bring out anyone's
    paranoia. [Leave that to cops.]

    On private property (malls, shopping centers, department
    stores), there are usually plainclothes security guards
    who never were cops. Many of them are amazingly
    stupid, rude, criminal, and heavy-handed.
    Plainclothes security guards
    who never were cops make little money, and are often
    assigned to work on their own (without a partner)
     
  2. freeque

    freeque Senior Member

    Joined: May 27, 2001 Messages: 2,002 Likes Received: 0


    London undercovers have been known to wear Avirex and skating labels.
     
  3. Rodney Trotter

    Rodney Trotter Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 23, 2001 Messages: 1,683 Likes Received: 1
    I saw a mixed-race uniformed policeman at the Glastonbury Festival that had dreads all down his back. Out of uniform you never would have guessed he was old bill in a million years.

    Suspect everyone, and don't be bait.
     
  4. destroya

    destroya Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 30, 2002 Messages: 1,714 Likes Received: 1
    this is a fine way to get yourself fucked up.
     
  5. Nutonce

    Nutonce Member

    Joined: Oct 31, 2001 Messages: 786 Likes Received: 0
    whatever, you can spot the undercovers a mile away because they are white males in areas they never appear so they blow their own cover, furthermore niggas know all the black cops anyway, they show face in the hood too much already, so there is no hiding. we spot you fags a mile away. pigs!

    ps if theres a white guy in the urban area he already is assumed to be a cop. or a fiend, either way we aint fuckin with you.
     
  6. sneak

    sneak Guest

    realistically the best advice here.
     
  7. GeraloRivera

    GeraloRivera Junior Member

    Joined: Jun 7, 2004 Messages: 130 Likes Received: 0
    YEA YEA YEA NIGGA!!! 2XL!!! DA STREETS IS TALKIN MY NIGGA!!! DA STREEETTSSSS!!!!! SHOUTZ TA DEBO LOCKED DOWN!
     
  8. imported_dowmagik

    imported_dowmagik Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2001 Messages: 1,904 Likes Received: 1
    cops in portland, or have been dressing up like ravers and busting people
     
  9. destroya

    destroya Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 30, 2002 Messages: 1,714 Likes Received: 1
    i'm feeling what nut is saying to an extent, 80% of the time you see a white person in a high-crime area, he's either a cop or copping rocks.
     
  10. CrazyLazy

    CrazyLazy Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 17, 2003 Messages: 1,681 Likes Received: 0
    Under covers are no good. But sometimes they are really easy to spot out. Other times though, they go crazy. Anyone in San Francisco who skates knows how the undercovers go crazy at like Pier 7 and the old EMB.
     
  11. simeone

    simeone New Jack

    Joined: Apr 14, 2004 Messages: 85 Likes Received: 0
    fuck undercovers, and fuck skating being illegal
     
  12. BobotheHobo

    BobotheHobo New Jack

    Joined: Jan 29, 2004 Messages: 79 Likes Received: 0
    i didnt find this shit helpful at all its all just common sense.
     
  13. chuck taylor

    chuck taylor Member

    Joined: Apr 14, 2004 Messages: 776 Likes Received: 0
    this shit is retarded...

    Try to do it yourself. Go to
    a high-crime neighborhood, find an important intersection,
    and stand (or sit) there with a half-filled shopping bag
    as if you're waiting for someone to meet you there.
    Occasionally look at your watch to see how much more time
    you'll have to wait for him. Occasionally, briefly try
    to recognize someone a long way off, as if you think
    it might be the person you're pretending to wait for.
    That's the sort of behavior undercover cops engage in.
    While you're doing all this, try to spot anything
    criminal (someone sitting in a car selling illegal
    drugs, a streetwalker trying to get customers, etc.).
    After you've done it a few times, you'll get much
    better at spotting others doing it

    if you lived in a 'high-crime neighborhood' youd know that this how you get robbed or get your ass beat. dont go out and practice being an undercover, just use common fuckin sense. and bottom line, most undercovers in 'high-crime neighborhoods' will do whatever the fuck they want and wont give a damn if they look obvious cause they dont need a reason to fuck with you.
     
  14. ODS-1

    ODS-1 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 21, 2003 Messages: 3,575 Likes Received: 0
    One way to avoid them is to NOT PAINT WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!!! And why would you hit up a tag in front of ANY person?
     
  15. the-quiet-1

    the-quiet-1 Banned

    Joined: Jul 6, 2003 Messages: 727 Likes Received: 0
    ever watch the shows COPS?? most of those undercovers are dressed in shit clothing,they are fat and bald and still can chase a muthafucka down,throw u to the ground and handcuff you...so thats the biggest crock if shit i have ever heard...SO TRACKSTAND YOU MUST BE AN UNDERCOVER PIG YOURSELF TO START A THREAD LIKE THIS!!:five-o: :five-o:
     
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