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So, what comes to your mind

Discussion in 'News' started by imported_El Mamerro, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. Marine Hero.

    I'm having a hard time coming to terms with stuff like this, which I've seen plenty of online (as the site says, never on the news, save for the whole Jessica Lynch debacle). Obviously the intent of the site is for you to feel proud of an act of bravery. If the events it describes are indeed true, I get a sense of admiration, a sense of awe at how this guy handled the situation, but pride? I have a really hard time feeling proud for this.

    But then what exactly does supporting our troops mean?

    Do we cheer them on when they kick huge amounts of ass and leave a path of destruction? What motivation can these guys have to do and finish their jobs if we don't recognize them for acts of valor, however violent they are?

    Or de we just wish them to be safe and eagerly expect their return home?

    If you were playing basketball, would you feel supported by those who just want you to finish the game and leave the court? Or would your motivation come from those who cheer how well you play?

    This is fucked. I really want to say I support our troops, but it's really hard to come to terms with what it actually means to support them.
     
  2. tsuifuku

    tsuifuku Junior Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2005 Messages: 204 Likes Received: 0
    I have veterans in my family, as well as family and friends who have joined
    the military, or are in the process of doing so.

    All this talk about Supporting the troops is designed to make the average joe think that the iraq war or the war in afghanistan is in his interest, which it clearly is not.
    I'm not a fan of immortal technique, i think hes an asshat. In this situation, however i think its useful to quote him
    "We don't get cheap labor for our companies, we dont get weapons contracts, we are cheap labor"

    I've said it before, and i'll say it again, if you are in the position where you have to work for a living, then you have more in common with an iraqi who has to work for a living than you have in common with the people who are conducting this war of imperialism.

    Blah
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    They referred to this as an AK4 (ak47?) but its an RPK
     
  3. Stereotype V.001

    Stereotype V.001 Member

    Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Messages: 416 Likes Received: 0
    Wait........you mean, we actually KILL people in a war? JESUS CHRIST MONKEY BALLS!!!!!!! I have lost all support for the United States military!!!! Don't they know violence isn't the answer, unless you are an Iraqi insurgent(not terrorist!) and therefore it is acceptable?
     
  4. Gunm

    Gunm Banned

    Joined: Aug 31, 2003 Messages: 12,427 Likes Received: 1
    what comes to mind is "goddamn!" when i see that medal.

    You pretty much have to get killed to win that thing
     
  5. RumPuncher

    RumPuncher Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 4, 2005 Messages: 4,500 Likes Received: 5
    I've always found myself siding with the underdog.
    I identify with the guy throwing a rock, not the guy driving a tank.
    But then again, the guy driving the tank doesn't own the tank.

    The Marine in the article did what only a sellect few people can do.
    I read somewhere that 99% of the killing in a war is done by
    something like 3% of the soldiers. Bomber pilots, gunners and
    the elite 'rambos' like this guy. He did what he thought he had to do.

    He'll be able to sleep at night because he made sure other men
    (or boys) could go home to their family, but one day he'll ask if
    they should have been there in the first place. I admire his
    ability to do what he had to do, but I'm upset it had to happen.
     
  6. MAR

    MAR Veteran Member

    Joined: Jun 2, 2005 Messages: 7,264 Likes Received: 256
    No matter how you feel about the war you can disrespect the people fighting for you. When you meet a vet you should say thank you, not fuck you.
     
  7. tsuifuku

    tsuifuku Junior Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2005 Messages: 204 Likes Received: 0
    I'd never say "fuck you" to a vet, most of them come from a working class background and are not bad people.

    The thing I disagree with is where you said they are fighting for me.

    Are my wages going to be higher after the war? Am I going to be able to afford medical insurance after the war? Probably not.
    The US military has been used against the population of the united states before. I recall the previous governor of my state calling out the national guard because state employees went on strike. The rulers of the country will use the military against us, therefor I dont see a reason to campaign to make them into better, more efficient, killing machines.
     
  8. MAR

    MAR Veteran Member

    Joined: Jun 2, 2005 Messages: 7,264 Likes Received: 256
    In turn rejecting who they are and what they fight for is saying fuck you. 20 years down the line you may look back and say "Oh, i guess its was good the US attacked Afganistan and Iraq." Not everythings black and white, you have to look at the problems at hand. The US miliary has suffered many casualties because of lack of funds i.e. armor to transport vehicles.

    The issue at this point isnt "do i support the war" its "what can I do to make sure our soldiers come home alive". We started the war and now we have to end it.

    This post is a cacophony of fragmented ideas so I hope you can decifer my message.
     
  9. BAN-THIS!!!

    BAN-THIS!!! Junior Member

    Joined: Mar 1, 2006 Messages: 141 Likes Received: 0
    That nigga is GANGSTA!
    Props.

    But no he SHOULDN'T have even been there to begin with.
     
  10. yum

    yum Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 26, 2005 Messages: 122 Likes Received: 0
    hey a guy that killed 20 Iraqis wow he just achieved the american dream.

    I'd be damn proud if he killed 20 of sadaams or bush's war cabinets but as for killing 20 poor fucking Iraqi men what makes their lives worthless compared to the american soldiers he reportedly saved? (awaits a reply from bobthefuckingbuilder)
     
  11. BAN-THIS!!!

    BAN-THIS!!! Junior Member

    Joined: Mar 1, 2006 Messages: 141 Likes Received: 0
    Are you serious? How about the fact that they were in the direct process of trying to kill him and his squad?

    But word to this statement though..."I'd be damn proud if he killed 20 of sadaams or bush's war cabinets "
     
  12. yum

    yum Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 26, 2005 Messages: 122 Likes Received: 0
    fuck son youd be tryign to kill him and his soldiers too if they were rolling into your town guns blazing
     
  13. BAN-THIS!!!

    BAN-THIS!!! Junior Member

    Joined: Mar 1, 2006 Messages: 141 Likes Received: 0

    Exactly!
    True story.

    But if YOU were in HIS squad you be damn proud of that nigga handleing shit like he did.
     
  14. yum

    yum Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 26, 2005 Messages: 122 Likes Received: 0
    yeha im sure i would be, however im not so i can sympathise with the dead guys in soem trench in their town a lot more than i can with the guys from the other side of the world hicking around in their humvee
     
  15. BAN-THIS!!!

    BAN-THIS!!! Junior Member

    Joined: Mar 1, 2006 Messages: 141 Likes Received: 0
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