Slave Descendant's Sue for $1 Billion.

Originally posted by seeking

you should find it very sad that it's a fairly accurate depiction of the mindset of many of the people im surrounded by, not that i would admit to it. you said it yourself:

'for every person that went out and blew their reparations check on a cadillac and spinnas, there'd be another who used it to "get up out the hood"

even by your figures, that's still 50% of the people basically throwing their money away.

you cant forget that NY, and the agendas of those who inhabit it, are a far cry from those in detroit... almost two totally different worlds. im not at all implying that you're 'out of touch', but it's real easy to compartmentalize things, and view your immediate surroundings as representation of the whole.

perhaps i am wrong, i mean, honestly, i hope that i am, because you have no idea how depressing it is to walk around feeling like you care more about these peoples lives and futures than they do. i just know what i see day in and day out, and i know it doesnt give me much hope. i know my friend, who i sit 3 feet from at my desk, who i give a ride home to everyday, blows half her meager check on clothes for her and her daughter, instead of moving out of her project ass apartment, or trying to get a car. i know the girls who work in the cafe downstairs in my building, that i talk to every single morning, just put themselves into debt to buy their kids clothes and video games for xmas...when they still havent paid off last xmas. these are just a couple examples, but they're representative of a large percentage of the population. i mean, if you had any idea how many bmw's are parked outside of dilapitated houses here in detroit, you'd shit yourself. villian and telo can both testify to that shit. its insane. instead of trying to better their lives in the long run, they try to better their personal appearance.... it's bandaids for bullet wounds.

 

anyway, im off on a tangent and i totally need to sleep. sorry for rambling. hope some of it made sense (even if you dont agree).

i hear you man. i should have clarified my point about the spinnas vs. IRA concept earlier. i wasn't saying that 50% of people would waste their money. i was just trying to offer an alternative to your rendering. i think the actual percentage of "spinnas-type" spenders would be around 20%. but still, if you gave a large sum of $ to white people, at least 20% would make some shithead manuevers with it. terrible spending habits are not confined to a certain group of people- the gaudiness of 22" spinnas and escalades might be offensive to your sensibilities, understandibly, but it really isn't different than trailer park rednecks with brand new ford f350s, and brand new 4-wheelers and snowmobiles every year. in many ways i actually feel that blacks would be far better off than poor whites in receiving a "redistributive" amount of $, if only for the fact that i really think that strong national and regional black leadership would emerge if reparations were given, to historicize and contextualize the event and make sure that people are doing "the right thing" with their money. in the absence of any poor white leadership (besides ironically george bush), most poor whites would probably look at their situation as one of "free money," and they'd go to the local ford or artic cat dealership to "help the economy."

point well taken about detroit. it is an interesting case in that it's a black majority, but even beyond that, that blacks run the political machine there. if anything i think that black leadership would be more likely to step up to the plate in a place like detroit if reparations were given.

just a question... have you ever questioned your black friends about their spending priorities?

and seeking, this last comment is not at all directed towards you, but i do find it alarming up in channel 0 that if you give these a white kids an inch to say some racist shit, it will explode for miles and miles like they've been waiting to say it their whole lives.

for them sueing make then look worse then the lloyds

Originally posted by TEARZ

i do find it alarming up in channel 0 that if you give these a white kids an inch to say some racist shit, it will explode for miles and miles like they've been waiting to say it their whole lives.

i was thinking the exact same thing. its why jack ass got banned, cause i wasnt in the mood to watch suburban ignorance talk out of its ass.

i have tried to broach the subject with people before, but its like...folks that live that way don't care that they live that way. even if it's not right, and many of them know its not, still, their priorities lie in the minute, not in the month. they'll bitch about inequality and racism, but then do absolutely nothing to try and effect any sort of real change. im not sure if its out of a feeling of overwhelmingness, or futiility or what, but if that's the case, i can easily understand.

you remember the song 'scrubs'? well that's detroit. this whole city is based on hamburger pimping. completely fronting. our mayor....the 'hip hop' mayor, as he's called, has strippers at his parties. i'm not talking about strippers hanging out, i'm talking about strippers stripping. his whole cabinet has been investigated for corruption. our former mayor had a coke dealer for a son, and it was pretty much common knowledge. everything here is fucked. just so you have an idea...5 years ago they built casino's here, as an answer to our financial woes. the poorest major city in the country is trying to right itself by building casinos. fucking brilliant.

i know that's kind of off track, but im just trying to paint a picture of the mindset of a large segment of people. its honestly something you have to experience to understand. ive spent plenty of time in ny, and i'm not saying that there arent some very bad areas, or that there arent some very ignorant people, but even your worst project kid has more of a 'cultured' up bringing than most the kids here. atleast in ny, people all ride on the subway together. they work in the same buildings. eat in the same restaurants. here, were so shut off, and so segregated, people of different cultures have almost no interaction outside of the food service industry. the funny thing though, is that detroiters, for the most part, are usually pretty polite all things considered...atleast to one anothers faces. nothing like philly, which is easily the most racially tense city i've ever been in. 'brotherly love'?! ha. that city is seething with hate. you can almost feelit.

i'm totally getting way off track though.

since we're actually discussing this, what kind of figures do people talk about when they discuss reparation? not this 2 billion dollar bullshit, but what are 'black leaders' calling for, as their present day equivelant to 40 acres and a mule? how much do they think is 'fair'? this isn't rhetorical by the way, i'm honestly asking. i've never heard real figures being discussed, but the amount of money would play a huge role in the way it's spent.

as i just wrote that, and started thinking, all of a sudden the whole idea of this became so absolutely fucking ridiculous, i cant handle it. the idea of just handing out black people checks for tens of thousands of dollars, just because they're black, is fucking absurd. completely retarded. it would instantly breed such hatred between races, it would be unbelievable.

having said that, i do think that the government should make inner cities a very high priority....one of the highest 'homeland' priorities we have. you can't give black people 10k cause their great, great, great grandfather was a slave, but they can put 100k into new school books and computers for each school. the fact that we dont do more for inner city schools is fucking disgusting.

grr, im just getting angry now. i fucking hate america. we're seriously the most fucking backwards, jacked up, self denying place in the world. 'no place else has the freedoms we do'....WRONG. try the majority of europe, or how about a little closer to home; canada...all of which have far less crime, drug addiction, and social problems. people that think this country is fair, do not live in this country (even if they do). they live in some ficticious place inside their own head.

i want those people to fucking die.

i want everyone to die. i hate everything tonight.

haha.

sorry. i should have stopped long ago.

oh, one last thing though. yes, i do agree that ignorance comes in every color, and poor white people would likely spend the money just as ignorantly, however the distinction is not based on race, it's based on class. educated blacks would use the money intelligently, just as educated whites would. uneducated blacks, overwhelmingly, would not (same for whites). so again, it all comes down to education. teach people how to be intelligent and they will. allow them to be stupid, and they will.

seeking,

again, i hear you. the thing is, blacks are more class conscious than whites, even if sometimes many blacks mix up race with class- but with some of stats i supplied earlier (ie %of blacks in poverty), can you blame them? most poor whites are so out of touch with their class position in the grand scheme of things that it's a disgrace (again, there are pockets where this is untrue, but it works as an overstatement). which is why rusty and derrick vote for GWB even though it's completely contrary to their interests- GWB appeals in terms of "soft power" to the whiteness, maleness, americanness of these dudes. race and class really work together a lot more than people want to think.

estimates by the "experts" on the $ figure on reparations vary wildly. they go from $20,000 into the millions. some focus on installment plans and shit. most experts with any care for political viability focus on ideas that aren't direct money giveaways. i personally like the idea of free college and university tuition for all descendents of american slaves (this could go from 50k to almost 500k for phds). the onus would be on the government, not the universities to pay for such a plan, and as a result, more financial aid $ would be available to poor whites, asians, latinos, everybody. it's a cheesy slogan, but black leaders are right when they say that kids will "be what they see." you know this. if blacks kids know that if they graduate that they can go to college for free, if teachers in the hood know that they can train their kids and know that they will have a chance to go to school rather than not go because they can't afford it, if more black college grads are coming out of the hood, it makes for hope. again, not to go the cheese route, but the main problem is one of hopelessness. i'm sure this is self-evident in detroit. this is a national problem, not confined to a black problem, but the fact is that black ghettoes make up the majority of our most hopeless places.

there are actually a host of people who look at "universal" solutions, such as saying that we need to fix up all our fucked up schools, and pay for everybody's college tuition, regardless of race. most of the scholars agree that these are the things most likely to WORK, but least likely to actually happen because of how fucked up america is and how wrong our national priorities are.

btw, i appreciate the detroit info. i'm also not as nyc-centric as you might think- i've moved around a quite a bit and no longer stationed in nyc.

i guess i'd also encourage you to try and broach the subject with some friends. i'm assuming that unlike many of the whites on this board you actually have real black friends rather than one dude you smoke with and talk about rap and basketball with. not that you're trying to go the white savior route, but even though we've never met it's clear that you're a charismatic motherfucker... you never know.

good "talking with you," man.

sorry you're having a rough night. you're not the only one. keep the faith.

tears/self-destruction will destroy you unless you've got somebody that's looking out for you

damn, all the good mess gone. What to do? I remember someone sayin somthing like "its like when one person posts a racial comment, all the white kids go out and let it rip like they have been holding it in"

I think the reason why is because racism from white people is a lot less accepted. Example: If a black person says "look at that cracker", people dont seem to care, but if i said "Look at that nigger" people get mad. But like most things, if one person starts something, people find it easier to vent their own feelings. Not that everyone is racist, but they have some pent up feelings they have been wanting to let out, thats all.

sucks, we lost alot of good stuff.

Originally posted by seeking

sucks, we lost alot of good stuff.

yeah, thats what i was sayin. But at least its back up and runnin, i was sure i was gonna die after today

a couple years ago the forum went down for about 3 weeks. during that time, the crew broke down and set up a temp prophet just so we had a place to post at. then the board was back up, but wasnt open to the public, so we got free run of the whole thing....we ran around like retards breaking rules, threatening to ban eachother...the inmates took over the asylum.

this has nothign to do with anything, but it was a good time.

Originally posted by seeking

a couple years ago the forum went down for about 3 weeks. during that time, the crew broke down and set up a temp prophet just so we had a place to post at. then the board was back up, but wasnt open to the public, so we got free run of the whole thing....we ran around like retards breaking rules, threatening to ban eachother...the inmates took over the asylum.

this has nothign to do with anything, but it was a good time.

man, a privelage like that coupled with those cars you guys got, wow, i want to be a crew. I kinda wanna know how many posts i actually have done in the last few 2 months maybe, cuz its a bunch a day, more than my average. Can i be a creW? ahhaha

no, no you can't.

BUT....congratulations to HeavyLox, our newest, and last crew member. we had decided to completely close our doors, but at the last second, Hev snuck a foot in.

wow, we've taken this thread way, way off topic now.

how the fuck is jigga gonna sneak a D.O.C 'no one can do it better' reference into that new single?

Originally posted by seeking

no, no you can't.

BUT....congratulations to HeavyLox, our newest, and last crew member. we had decided to completely close our doors, but at the last second, Hev snuck a foot in.

 

 

wow, we've taken this thread way, way off topic now.

dont worry, i was jokin, i wouldnt be a good crew member, dont worry. Congrats to heavylox though