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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by imported_Tesseract, Jul 18, 2001.

  1. beardo

    beardo Guest

    yep, i was thinking exactly the same thing
  2. HATE is one of my all time favorite movies...

    Now back to your regularly scheduled re-programming...
  3. MASk!

    MASk! Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 7, 2000 Messages: 1,356 Likes Received: 1
    des truk shun
  4. boogie hands

    boogie hands 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 15, 2001 Messages: 16,059 Likes Received: 13
    three cheers for life on earth....

    brick, brick ,brick...thats how i be up against your girlfriends ass...
  5. boogie hands

    boogie hands 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 15, 2001 Messages: 16,059 Likes Received: 13
    wow...thanks, i guess ill be checking that one out....

    brick, brick ,brick...thats how i be up against your girlfriends ass...
  6. There is a freaking detail:
    Notice the similarity on the arms of the cop(from the hate) with the arms of the man inside the snake...
    Its like those 2 are the same picture.
  7. boogie hands

    boogie hands 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 15, 2001 Messages: 16,059 Likes Received: 13
    hate...hhhmmmm...what is this movie you speak of...

    brick, brick ,brick...thats how i be up against your girlfriends ass...
  8. french film

    Winner of the C├ęsar for Best French Film of 1995!

    "Makes Kids look like Sesame Street" -- Film Comment.

    "Extremely intelligent... it builds to a stunning crescendo." -- Variety.

    One of the most controversial (and popular) films to come out of Europe in years is writer-director Mathieu Kassovitz's stylized and stunning Hate -- an angry roar of a film that addresses the mutual mistrust, contempt and hatred between the police and the disenfranchised youth who populate the banlieue, the faceless working-class suburbs around Paris. Often compared to Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing, Hate netted Kassovitz the Best Director Prize at last year's Cannes Film Festival.
    The hard-hitting tale covers less than 24 crucial hours in the lives of three male buddies. The film opens with an impressive documentary montage of demonstrations in which angry crowds clash with France's brutal riot police. The riot is a result of a 16-year-old Arab boy hovering close to death after police "questioned" him. As title cards precisely clock the passing of the following day, Kassovitz's edgy, intimate camera follows the three ethnically diverse friends: relatively up-beat, hyper Said is of North African heritage; Vinz, his dense lug of a buddy, is a lower-class Jew; more mature Hubert is black. As the day passes and tensions continue to mount in the aftermath of the riot, Vinz finds a loaded gun lost by one of the riot police -- the stage is set for a speed- (and hate-) fueled odyssey through night-time Paris where an unforeseen conclusion packs a wallop. "Scripted, acted and shot [in breathtaking black-and-white] with sit-up-and-take-notice verve, Hate seems a shoo-in for critical and public support.... Kassovitz has achieved a mature tone and narrative cohesion [that shows he] is a multitalented force to be reckoned with." -- Variety.

    (France, 1995, subtitles, 97 min).

    Hate (La Haine)

    *** (No Rating)

    Vinz: Vincent Cassel
    Hubert: Hubert Kounde
    Said: Said Taghmaoui
    Samir: Karim Belkhadra

    Written and directed by Mathieu Kassovitz. Running time: 93 minutes. No MPAA rating. In French with English subtitles.

    ``Society is like a man falling off a building. As he passes each floor, he calls out, ``So far, so good!'' -Story quoted in ``Hate''

    By Roger Ebert

    Mathieu Kassovitz is a 29-year-old French director who in his first two films has probed the wound of alienation among France's young outsiders. His new film ``Hate'' tells the story of three young men--an Arab, an African and a Jew--who spend an aimless day in a sterile Paris suburb, as social turmoil swirls around them and they eventually get into a confrontation with the police. If France is the man falling off the building, they are the sidewalk.

    In Kassovitz's first film, ``Cafe au Lait'' (1994), he told the story of a young woman from the Caribbean who summons her two boyfriends--one African, one Jewish--to announce that she is pregnant. That film, inspired by Spike Lee's ``She's Gotta Have It,'' was more of a comedy, but with ``Hate,'' also about characters who are not ethnically French, he has painted a much darker vision.

    In America, where for all of our problems, we are long accustomed to being a melting pot, it is hard to realize how monolithic most European nations have been--especially France, where Frenchness is almost a cult, and a political leader like Jean-Marie Le Pen can roll up alarming vote totals with his anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant diatribes. The French neo-Nazi right wing lurks in the shadows of ``Hate,'' providing it with an unspoken subtext for its French audiences. (Imagine how a moviegoer from Mars would misread a film like ``Driving Miss Daisy'' if he knew nothing about Southern segregation.)

    The three heroes of ``Hate'' are Vinz (Vincent Cassel), Jewish, working class; Hubert (Hubert Kounde), from Africa, a boxer, more mature than his friends, and Said (Said Taghmaoui), from North Africa, more lighthearted than his friends. That they hang out with one another reflects the fact that in France, friendships are as likely to be based on class as race.

    These characters inhabit a world where much of the cultural furniture has been imported from America. They use words like ``homeboy.'' Vinz gives Said a ``killer haircut, like in New York.'' Vinz does a De Niro imitation (``Who you talkin' to?''). There's break-dancing in the movie. Perhaps they like U.S. culture because it is not French, and they do not feel very French, either.

    During the course of less than 24 hours, they move aimlessly through their suburb and take a brief trip to Paris. They have run-ins with the cops, who try to clear them off a rooftop hangout that has become such a youth center, it even has its own hot dog stand. They move on the periphery of riots that have started after the police shooting of an Arab youth. When his younger sister's school is burned down, Vinz's Jewish grandmother warns,``You start out like that, you'll end up not going to temple.''

    What underlies everything they do is the inescapable fact that they have nothing to do. They have no jobs, no prospects, no serious hopes of economic independence, no money, few ways to amuse themselves except by hanging out. They are not bad kids, not criminals, not particularly violent (the boxer is the least violent), but they have been singled out by age, ethnicity and appearance as probable troublemakers. Treated that way by the police, they respond--almost whether they want to or not.

    As a filmmaker, Kassovitz has grown since his first film. His black-and-white cinematography camera is alert, filling the frame with meaning his characters are not aware of. Many French films place their characters in such picturesque settings--Paris, Nice--that it is easy to see them as more colorful than real. But the concrete suburbs where Kassovitz sets his film (the same sterile settings that were home to Eric Rohmer's cosmically different ``Boyfriends and Girlfriends'' in 1987) give back nothing. These are empty vistas of space--architectural deserts--that flaunt their hostility to the three young men, as if they were designed to provide no cover.

    The film's ending is more or less predictable and inevitable, but effective all the same. The film is not about its ending. It is not about the landing, but about the fall. ``Hate'' is, I suppose, a Generation X film, whatever that means, but more mature and insightful than the American Gen X movies. In America, we cling to the notion that we have choice, and so if our Gen X heroes are alienated from society, it is their choice--it's their ``lifestyle.'' In France, Kassovitz says, it is society that has made the choice.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled re-programming...
  9. I was wondering if you saw that film in the states.Glad to see some of you did.
    Anyway his latest movie is called "Crimson rivers" and though its not compared with "hate" its fucking great.
  10. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    personaly i didnt care much for hate.

    as far as this pic goes:
    the girl is naked because her village was hit with napalm and her clothes were covered in it; she tore them off to escape the flames. this pic won a pulitzer prize award and afterwards our govt. tried to claim the girl was burned in a 'hibatchi accident' and not as a result of us dropping napalm and incinerating the whole village (as seen in the background.) i saw an interview with the girl a little while but i dont remember much from it... just thought someone might care...
  11. She was hospitalised in the states,she currently lives in the states.Her back is burned all over
  12. imported_joewelcome

    imported_joewelcome Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 11, 2001 Messages: 1,690 Likes Received: 6
    hate (la haine) is one of the illest movies of the past 10 years. total hip hop classic. why the fuk isn't it available on DVD in the US?????
  13. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235