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school system discussion

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Mr. Mang, May 26, 2002.

  1. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang 12oz Elite Member

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    school system discussion

    Discussion started by Mr. Mang - May 26, 2002

    tell me what you think:

    "... the whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and think for themselves, and don't know how to be submissive, and so on - because they're dysfuctional to the institutions."

    - Noam Chomsky - 'Understanding Power' (page 111)

    (if you think this is just hippie bullshit you should understand that Noam is a professor at MIT)
     
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  2. swif1

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    swif1 - Replied May 26, 2002

    since we're talking about schools, my junior year, i got fucked over because of the grading scale...lets just say:

    84-93% = B

    94-100%=A

    :mad:
     
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  3. -sudz-

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    -sudz- - Replied May 26, 2002

    swif, you lose.
     
  4. swif1

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    swif1 - Replied May 26, 2002

    i knoe :eek:
     
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  5. platapie

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    platapie - Replied May 26, 2002

    i hated school while i was tehre and now i just wanan go back. go figure:eek: :rolleyes:
     
  6. whoami

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    whoami - Replied May 27, 2002

    I hate school , and I fucking cant wait to leave...
     
  7. uncle-boy

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    uncle-boy - Replied May 27, 2002

    most profesors, are liberal minded, hippy, peices of poo-on-a-stick.
    so i dont give a hoo-ha if he's a prof. at MIT, he's still just a dirty hippy.

    ;)
     
  8. MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega

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    MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega - Replied May 27, 2002

    shut up you hippie:D
     
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    ledzep - Replied May 27, 2002

    http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpedu/educators/images/school.jpg'>

    school provides a false sense of supeririority
     
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  10. KING BLING

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    KING BLING - Replied May 27, 2002

    School primarily distracts you from experience. Most people dedicate the most important years of development to the most unimportant things if viewed from a step back. This is to stifle the growth of radical and individual ideas and questions by fostering the socially acceptable ones. When all of your peers accept something blindly, at 14, so do you.
    I always wonder how they managed to get so many people to come down like a hammer everytime someone questions something that so many people hate anyway...
     
  11. EatMorGlue

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    EatMorGlue - Replied May 27, 2002

    chomsky is definitely an important figure in dissident thought, and i agree with what he's saying here and respect him a great deal.

    but just to play devils advocate for a sec... what does it say that he speaks out against the educational/professional training system, yet some of his paychecks come from one of the most prestigious institutions in that system, and is himself a product of that system? if it's such a threat to independent thought, why is he so mired in it?
     
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  12. BROWNer

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    BROWNer - Replied May 27, 2002

    chomsky is the man.
     
  13. Fuxus

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    Fuxus - Replied May 27, 2002

    The new push in education is to make it more scripted. The federal and state governments are pushing for more standardized instruction. There are so many bureaucratic hurdles for teachers that the best experiences are difficult to create. I have had many awful teachers, but the worst were in college. There were so many droll people just spouting off their diatribe. Good teachers are people that encourage their students to direct their own learning toward similar goals.

    I personally would like to see a world of free thinkers, and our system of education prevents this from happening as readily. Students are forced to conform to a set of rules, as are the teachers. The teachers are not to blame. It is the admistration and gorvernment that make school this way. Voters consistently make decisions that affect schools in my state. The voters are critical and at the same time want to cut funding. When all of this hipocrisy ends, there may be a time of great learning.
     
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  14. BROWNer

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    BROWNer - Replied May 27, 2002

    hows this for school....
    in the states, and this is growing rapidly, they now
    have private schools that you send your kid off to and
    the idea is that the kid makes up his own mind what he'll
    do that day. sort of free form schooling....at your own pace...
    it may be just sitting around playing video games all day
    or whatever. i saw this on 60 minutes or some shit.....
    the selling point is that your kid learns better when its of
    interest to them, not forced, and when its at their own pace.
    wake up at 11 and go to school (if you want).
    some of the kids attending the school hadn't learned how to
    read yet...and they asked the parents what they thought,
    and they just shrugged like it was no big deal..

    i also just heard about military schooling. i'll leave it at that.
     
  15. Ted Wakowski

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    Ted Wakowski - Replied May 27, 2002

    I've read Chomsky's response to this argument already. His belief on the issue is that in a democracy, educational institutions and government alike are in place to serve the will of the people, not the other way around. Resting upon that logic, it makes perfect sense that Chomsky promotes reform within a system he himself is a part of. Many of his stances would be entirely hypocritical if this were not the case.