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school system discussion

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Mr. Mang, May 26, 2002.

  1. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 27, 2002 Messages: 2,901 Likes Received: 1
    tell me what you think:

    "... the whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and think for themselves, and don't know how to be submissive, and so on - because they're dysfuctional to the institutions."

    - Noam Chomsky - 'Understanding Power' (page 111)

    (if you think this is just hippie bullshit you should understand that Noam is a professor at MIT)
  2. swif1

    swif1 Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 13, 2001 Messages: 7,067 Likes Received: 29
    since we're talking about schools, my junior year, i got fucked over because of the grading scale...lets just say:

    84-93% = B


  3. -sudz-

    -sudz- Guest

    swif, you lose.
  4. swif1

    swif1 Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 13, 2001 Messages: 7,067 Likes Received: 29
  5. platapie

    platapie Guest

    i hated school while i was tehre and now i just wanan go back. go figure:eek: :rolleyes:
  6. whoami

    whoami Guest

    I hate school , and I fucking cant wait to leave...
  7. uncle-boy

    uncle-boy Guest

    most profesors, are liberal minded, hippy, peices of poo-on-a-stick.
    so i dont give a hoo-ha if he's a prof. at MIT, he's still just a dirty hippy.

  8. MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega

    MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 23, 2000 Messages: 6,494 Likes Received: 1
  9. ledzep

    ledzep Junior Member

    Joined: Feb 21, 2002 Messages: 146 Likes Received: 1

    school provides a false sense of supeririority

    KING BLING Guest

    School primarily distracts you from experience. Most people dedicate the most important years of development to the most unimportant things if viewed from a step back. This is to stifle the growth of radical and individual ideas and questions by fostering the socially acceptable ones. When all of your peers accept something blindly, at 14, so do you.
    I always wonder how they managed to get so many people to come down like a hammer everytime someone questions something that so many people hate anyway...
  11. EatMorGlue

    EatMorGlue Senior Member

    Joined: Dec 22, 2000 Messages: 1,919 Likes Received: 1
    chomsky is definitely an important figure in dissident thought, and i agree with what he's saying here and respect him a great deal.

    but just to play devils advocate for a sec... what does it say that he speaks out against the educational/professional training system, yet some of his paychecks come from one of the most prestigious institutions in that system, and is himself a product of that system? if it's such a threat to independent thought, why is he so mired in it?
  12. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    chomsky is the man.
  13. Fuxus

    Fuxus Member

    Joined: Oct 9, 2001 Messages: 262 Likes Received: 0
    The new push in education is to make it more scripted. The federal and state governments are pushing for more standardized instruction. There are so many bureaucratic hurdles for teachers that the best experiences are difficult to create. I have had many awful teachers, but the worst were in college. There were so many droll people just spouting off their diatribe. Good teachers are people that encourage their students to direct their own learning toward similar goals.

    I personally would like to see a world of free thinkers, and our system of education prevents this from happening as readily. Students are forced to conform to a set of rules, as are the teachers. The teachers are not to blame. It is the admistration and gorvernment that make school this way. Voters consistently make decisions that affect schools in my state. The voters are critical and at the same time want to cut funding. When all of this hipocrisy ends, there may be a time of great learning.
  14. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    hows this for school....
    in the states, and this is growing rapidly, they now
    have private schools that you send your kid off to and
    the idea is that the kid makes up his own mind what he'll
    do that day. sort of free form schooling....at your own pace...
    it may be just sitting around playing video games all day
    or whatever. i saw this on 60 minutes or some shit.....
    the selling point is that your kid learns better when its of
    interest to them, not forced, and when its at their own pace.
    wake up at 11 and go to school (if you want).
    some of the kids attending the school hadn't learned how to
    read yet...and they asked the parents what they thought,
    and they just shrugged like it was no big deal..

    i also just heard about military schooling. i'll leave it at that.
  15. Ted Wakowski

    Ted Wakowski Guest

    I've read Chomsky's response to this argument already. His belief on the issue is that in a democracy, educational institutions and government alike are in place to serve the will of the people, not the other way around. Resting upon that logic, it makes perfect sense that Chomsky promotes reform within a system he himself is a part of. Many of his stances would be entirely hypocritical if this were not the case.