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Revok vs. H&M

Discussion in 'News' started by ClownPrince, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. ClownPrince

    ClownPrince Member

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  2. One Man Banned

    One Man Banned Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Ha, great topic, wish we had more heads on here for discussion. Can't knock the guy too hard as I've enjoyed seeing his shit from early days on. Guess the question here is who gets to profit from a crime? Like the technique of how he did what he did, but... really wouldn't consider that art per se. Tried to find a bigger pic to see if he wrote his name or something but doesn't appear that way.

    If you do something in public, illegally no less, aren't you leaving it there for the public to do with as it sees fit? Would he sue someone who buffed over it? But then the issue really is he's mad about someone making money off his creations. Funny that his suit says something about HM using his shit gives him a bad name. Without this suit I would have passed that ad and never even have thought a writer did that, nor would I have associated those lines with Revok. Interesting counter suit too, provokes the authorities.

    Feel somewhat divided on this topic. Like with the 5 Pointz lawsuit, that kind of seemed like stop crying and get over it, and yet they won so apparently a judge agrees (sure it's on appeal so we'll see if it changes/reverses). Anyhow, there are some comparisons that could be made. Yet in this case... on the one hand I feel like tough loss/stop crying, on the other hand, I wouldn't want any corporation/business using something I did without permission to make $ for themselves. But then again, he left it out there for all. And they're not really making money from his name/art. Fuck it.
     
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  3. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Seriously, stupidest thing I've heard this year.

    "I'm not willing to respect the law that protects public property but I want the law to protect what I illegally put on that public property".

    Get a fucking grip, you put it out there, you force it on the public, you can't complain when the public uses it. It's like a drug dealer reporting to police that some one ripped him off on a deal. Has to be a stunt, cannot actually be serious.
     
  4. ClownPrince

    ClownPrince Member

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/graff...n-claims-they-have-no-right-to-their-own-work
     
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  5. Fist 666

    Fist 666 Moderator Crew

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    I'm torn on the issue.

    The only reason I side with Revok is the counter suit from H&M against him. If they just used his lines (which is pretty much all he does now based on his IG, occasionally its cool, but most of it is far too 'street art' for me to give a fuck about it) in the background of an ad, and he sued, I'd be on the same page as christo, but because they responded as such, fuck 'em.

    However, if he wins (and the whole thing is not simply just dropped) I think it sets a potentially dangerous precedent. If an architect or firm puts up a skyscraper that winds up in the background of an ad for a company they disagree with, would they not be able to use the same case to have their building removed from said ad campaign?
     
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  6. One Man Banned

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    Liked that 2nd article better, explained shit a bit better. Have to say good for him for backing them down, I do remember other MSK/CBS guys raising this issue a long time back. Also good to hear from Ket and Slick, wish we had active forums where some of the O.G.s could speak on some of this and some other things because social media doesn't give the room and I don't use it anyhow. I also enjoyed this point "H&M is about to start a war with people who gladly destroy private property for fun in their free time."
     
  7. ClownPrince

    ClownPrince Member

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    I've been told that some instances like this exist, where the architect registers a trademark for the shape/design of the building and so subsequently usage rights are needed in order to portray it.

    You're right though, it was the counter claim that rubs the wrong way. Also, this:

    The plot thickens.
     
  8. One Man Banned

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    By chance I came across some different writers discussing similar issues with similar, good points made.
    Also by chance I came across this piece of artwork I flicked 8(?) years ago and this is as good a place as any to put it:

    msk.jpg
     
  9. Brink

    Brink Junior Member

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    I think oddly enough revok is the only person to not make a public statement on this so far
     
  10. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    ...., assuming that you know everyone behind each username
     
  11. enteruncreativename

    enteruncreativename Member

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    I think his post here would be all caps ranting about how they stole his artwork with several exclamation marks at the end of his sentence. I think it's stupid to argue about someone using your illegal work elsewhere, at the end of the day you're just stating the fact that you need to be prosecuted...
     
  12. Bitmann

    Bitmann New Jack

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    interesting review
     
  13. theprotester

    theprotester Moderator Crew

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    Lol don't all writers have a legal team on retainer?

    Fuck all of this noise
     
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