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RETALIATION!!!

Discussion in 'News' started by Raels, Sep 13, 2001.

  1. Raels

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    RETALIATION!!!

    Discussion started by Raels - Sep 13, 2001

    A lot of people are talking about/asking for IMMEDIATE retaliation by The American Government. I'm no Political Scientist or Military Strategist but this seems to be the stupidest/most self-defeating solution to what's happened.

    Acting on this right away without careful consideration of every possible future outcome and effect could mean the start of World War 3 or even worse. The intentions and specific motivations behind this whole f**ked up tragedy are still unclear. For all we know this "move" could be intended as a catalyst for FURTHER ACTS of terror (or war) that have been planned to follow directly behind this one.

    Don't underestimate the people who did this.

    Personally, I think everyone should take into consideration that running out and "turning some third world country into a parking lot" will do nothing but strengthen the existing hatred of America that motivated the WTC & Pentagon crashes in the first place, not to mention the fact that more innocent dead people will help no one. Somebody WILL pay for this, but if it's the wrong people paying then the fire grows stronger against us.

    This is the time for serious STRATEGY, not reflex. One false move could be suicidal for our government & those who support us.

    ..Just some thoughts about what's going on & how it might affect us. Everyone stay level-headed and pay respects to the recently deceased as well as the Middle-Easterners in your area.
     
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  2. KASTsystem

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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    we have to respond.
    but it's very important that we are sure of who our enemy is.

    the biggest problem is the kind of war this will be. we can easily attack and level pakistan or whatever other country is determined to be the enemy...the problem with this is that our enemy is not a country, but terrorists. and these terrorists are already in NYC, DC, and all over the US (not to mention the world). They are trained to assimilate and not "look like terrorists." And once we make an attack, i assure you the terrorists in this country will instinctively retaliate.

    we shouldn't fear military attacks from foreign countries...we can handle that.
    we need to worry about a much more dangerous and unpredictable attack from unknown terrorists.

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  3. Raels

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    Raels - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    This is basically how I feel. Terrorism is a relatively new form of war that we aren't fully prepared for. Our vulnerabilities here are obvious, and easy to take advantage of.

    What a frustrating situation.
     
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    seeking - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    we lead the world in terrorism. its our sense of denial thats not fully prepaired.
     
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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    seeking, please explain.
    i personally disagree with you.
    we do not physically attack any other countries...at the most, we financially support other countries, particularly Israel.
    I don't define that as terrorism.



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  6. seeking

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    seeking - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    osama bin laden hasent physically blown anything up, all he's done is fund it. is he still a terrorist. do some research bro. find out who trained bin laden.
     
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    HESHIANDET - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    unkie sam

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  8. KASTsystem

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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    yes, he is a terrorist.
    he trained them. he funded them. he supplied them with everything they needed.
    they look up to him as their spiritual leader.

    i don't think anyone trained bin laden.
    he is an extremist with a lot of money and is capable of carrying out his own political ideaologies.

    america, on the other hand, is not creating havoc in other countries because of their extremist (or even conservative) views. we are not attacking countries and forcing capitalism, democracy, and freedom on them.

    you're entitled to your opinion, but you still have not supportted it. all i'm asking is for an example of how america is a terrorist nation.
     
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    Seym1has2no3fiends - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    Didn't the U.S. train Bin Ladin? I could be wrong though... but uh... either way, I aggree with raels!
     
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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    i know the U.S. trained a lot of the hijackers. i don't know if we trained bin laden or not...maybe. either way, we didn't train him with the knowledge or expectation that it would be used in terrorist attacks or against us.
     
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    seeking - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    dude, im not even gonna go through it again. your really have absolutely no idea about things. and im not saying that as insult, its just the truth. do some reading man. read through the threads relating to the recent incidents, theres alot of good info there.

    we trained osama bin laden and his followers. we taught them espianage, torture, military tactical planning, as well as supplied them with weapons, money, and the intelligence to use it efficently. we went into niceragua (or was it panama, i cant think right now) and not only killed some tens of thousands of inncoent people, but we put a puppet regime into office that was arguably more corrupt than the one we took out. do your homework man....
     
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    javier yardbirds - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    In the early 80's the CIA gave weapons, secret weapon technology and billions of dollars to rebels in Afghanistan that were fighting the Soviet occupation.

    I'm not sure if Bin Laden was a direct recipient of what the CIA was giving out, but he was a part of the revolution, so he was a recipient in one way or another. Many weapons his terrorists use, I'm sure, were at one time US Military property.
     
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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    seeking,

    i don't know why you have to be so condescending...

    i never professed to know everything about all of this.

    i'm trying to respond as calmly as possible.
    i feel that i've done nothing but try to contribute to an intelligent and thought provoking conversation. if you feel that i stated wrong information, i will gladly hear, listen, and learn from your argument provided it has supportting info.

    i am a reasonable person. i understand the need to know before i speak. that is why i have so few posts. i only post when i feel like i have something to contribute. if you ever disagree with me, i'd prefer that you did so in a non-insulting tone...i won't hear it otherwise.

    thank you.

    (if you're curious as to what i'm talking about, it's comments like "do your homework man" and your obvious frustration with supplying info: "dude, im not even gonna go through it again...")

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    KASTsystem - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    thank you for responding and informing in a constructive way. this is what makes the posts worthwhile and intelligent.
     
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  15. beardo

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    beardo - Replied Sep 13, 2001

    id say seeking was pretty civil and informative man.