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Reparations from slavery?

Discussion in 'News' started by mental invalid, Mar 26, 2002.

  1. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    i was watching the oreily factor, in between chris mathews' hardball...im much more aligned with mathews then with oreily...normally i cant stand the bastard...but he had some interesting comments on slave reparations....some that i actually agreed with, i tried to wash off the conservative right from body immediately after the program, but was left with the thoughts this morning...

    so, i thought id bring it to the boards in a hope of stimulation....

    the questions i aske myself are:

    is this a pandoras box, with no end to the road...if reparations are paid, who will pay? the government? big business? the south? most likely the consumer and taxpayer, whom a significant majority of are black...so then is it a symbolic gesture? what about the fact that alot of slaves were actually captured by other african tribes?...do we then need to address other groups, although not nearly as heinous as slavery, but discrimnated against, such as the irish/japanese/italians, etc...

    should we pay because what has happened has caused african american peope in this country hardship in the major areas of economics, politics and social injustices...do we owe a piece of american economic growth to african americans?....is this what a majority of african americans want?

    some thoughts....lets see where this goes.....
  2. beardo

    beardo Guest

    you really know how to drop a bombshell topic at 9:30am. i may or may not be back later
  3. crso

    crso Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 30, 2001 Messages: 1,214 Likes Received: 0
    i say we should just get over it . because if we gave reparation to every minority group that has experience hardships. we would be paying for years.
  4. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Nov 16, 2000 Messages: 10,259 Likes Received: 18
    I believe a reaction should depend on what the African American community wants, although that is bound to change with time, so the answer will overwhelmingly depend on when you ask. I feel as though the government paying the reparations would be inappropriate because, like you said, much of the money would originally come from African Americans anyway. But such is the joy of any tax-based political system .... the radical redistribution of previously stolen goods - my favorite definition of 'politics.'

    I too would like to read what other people have to say.
  5. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    haha...seriously beardo, i havent even had my second cup of coffee bean elixer...i thought the same thing, dropping AM bombs...hopefully we will talk to you later....
  6. beardo

    beardo Guest

    just happened on this link.. what a coinkidink..


    CSX also issued a statement late Monday.

    "The claimants named CSX because slave labor was used to construct portions of some U.S. rail lines under the political and legal system in place more than a century before CSX was formed in 1980. The lawsuit to be filed in federal court in New York City against CSX and other corporations demanding financial reparations is wholly without merit and should be dismissed," it said.
  7. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    ...interesting.....that is probably why oreily brought up the subject last night....

    looks like this could get sticky.....

    can companies that were operating as completely different entities over 150 years ago within federal law at the time be held accountable? how the hell do you even figure out restituion....
  8. beardo

    beardo Guest

    not a snowballs chance in hell theyd win that lawsuit. BUT you can bet that all those companies will make heafty donations in the near future.. somethin's shakin on shakedown street..
  9. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 27, 2002 Messages: 2,901 Likes Received: 1
    how about we can all sign the congressional "get over it" bill
  10. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    it used to be the heart of town....

    and i quote:

    "Among the three already named, Hartford-based Aetna, at the prompting of Farmer-Paellmann, has admitted that it insured slaves for slave owners.

    Two years ago, the company, which has given over $36 million to the black community and hosts an annual symposium on race at its corporate offices, apologized."
  11. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    ...and might i say its real easy to say get over it when your not the afflicted party....i dunno know how id feel if i was black...shit im white and im not sure how i feel...
  12. A Fire Inside

    A Fire Inside Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 5, 2001 Messages: 1,836 Likes Received: 0
    Call me dumb, closed-minded, racist, whatever, but I honestly don't see how paying to repair what happened will solve anything. It happened, and it didn't happen to anyone currently alive, so they shouldn't see any of it. (Does that make sense?)
    I'm just trying to say that the people who will recieve the reparation were not living back then to suffer through it, and although they may have had to suffer do to their color in their life, it is not because they were slaves...

    I've come to the conclusion it is still too early to think and put words together properly, so hopefully they came off the way I wanted it too...
  13. A Fire Inside

    A Fire Inside Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 5, 2001 Messages: 1,836 Likes Received: 0
    aaaaaand just because a company or whoever it may be is paying money to the "black community" does not mean that all the members of said community have ancestors directly related to them who were slaves.:confused:
  14. ever stand outside a bar or club at like 230am, you and a few friends, one car, and everyone is trying to decide what to do, where to go...
    another bar, that new club that just opened, swing by that girls dorm, go get some food, go get some drugs, go home and crash, go paint, go play some GTA3...

    the problem with slave reparations is that there is never going to be a consensus, never going to be some group that isnt pissed the fuck off and feels cheated or betrayed. people are going to look for the answer that makes everyone happy, and that answer never exists. everyone has their own idea about whats fair and right.

    and second, once that decision is made, implementing (aka: funding) that is a whole 'nother ball game.

    im glad that it got brought up, mr. roe, that although the white man is traditionally demonized, the reality is quite different. not to let whitey off the hook, but read the chapter in howard zinn's book, and then we can talk.

    ok, so me personally? toughie. i think the floodgates/pandoras box gets opened when you start making reperations. you better have one of those red-round-deli counter-take a number and wait for it to flash on the digital sign thingies in place. where does it start? where does it end? the easy example is the WTC victims. why them? what about WTC '93? or what about the US embassy bombing in africa? anyways... what would my answer be? ill have to get back after my second cup of the coffee bean elixer...
  15. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    roe droppin' daisycutters>

    a guess: reparations won't do much.
    minorities such as the black community and aboriginal
    community are still gonna be anchored in the bullshit
    of the past. the only way to get past anything would
    be to completely erase that past.
    i don't know.
    johnny albino.