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Recently Busted/looking for advice

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by SSeko157, Sep 5, 2005.

  1. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    had a little run in with the cops last night...claims he saw me in the process of painting...I didnt admit to anything...court date is in a month. Probably facing a fine...maybe some juvenile charges...

    My question is this: In all modesty, Ive hit the city hard this summer. I know we have Vandal Squad here but im not sure to what extent they have power over.... Is it safe to keep hitting up the same shit? Anyone ever been in a similar situation? with court dates/name changes/all the bullshit legal stuff that comes with writing/etc etc?
  2. GLIK$

    GLIK$ Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 23, 2002 Messages: 22,277 Likes Received: 117
    you ever hear of any major writer in NYC?

    yeah, it's not a problem.

    You're not a major enough concern of vandal squad.
  3. BurgerKing

    BurgerKing New Jack

    Joined: Jul 28, 2004 Messages: 43 Likes Received: 0

    Well its good that you didnt admit to anything
    Its in the best interest that you dont say anything untill you speak to a lawyer, besides your name and contact information.

    Am i the only one that would go back and fuck up the thing I just got caught for so i could continue writing the same name? In my city, when I first got caught, I didnt go fuck up all the stuff around my area when they stole my sketch book, and they TRIED to charge me for a whole wack of shit around my area... and it took them 2-3 days to go and get around to taking pictures, I could have avoided a court case had I went the day later and buffed some tags and bombs.
  4. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    im guessing they can't press shit on you unless they actually catch you doing it; no matter how many throws you have that are exactly the same, they can only charge you for the ones that they have enough evidence for.

  5. Tough Love

    Tough Love Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 10, 2004 Messages: 1,894 Likes Received: 2
    depends how good and how much influence ur city's vandal squad has over the judge. They arent all stupid.
    By ur argument, it should follow then that a serial killer can only be charged for the one murder they caught him doing. Know what i mean?
    If they have sufficient evidence to tie u to other crimes, then i dont see why they wouldnt.
  6. shai

    shai Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jan 6, 2003 Messages: 17,602 Likes Received: 707
    It depends a lot on the prevailing sentiment of the city you live in, and what you painted. If you hit a lot of private property, the chances are that if they contact the owners, you could face multiple charges if they filed reports. They only have 72 hours to file a report in most cases where I live. If you were painting public property, again, it's all about where you live. If the city has a quality-of-life ordinance or a vandal squad, then they definitely will be stricter and most likely you'll have to do some community service.

    However, I'd get a lawyer who specializes in criminal/civil rights cases in your corner post haste. Also, don't talk to ANYONE but him, including your parents, and don't take a deal from the cops until he can look at it and tell you what it means. A lot of people get screwed here. The cops are NOT ON YOUR SIDE. Period.

    On a positive note, you are a minor, and you didn't cop to anything beyond what you did and what you had on you. Get all of your graff shit out of the house, like supplies, flicks, books, magazines, etc., buff any tags that might be in your place, and get rid of anything incriminating on your computer as well, including 12 oz. stuff. The cops are a lot smarter about that nowadays. Just save it all on disks, if you have to, and use a computer at a cafe or a library. I was staying at a house that got raided a few years ago- here's a link to the story that was in the paper. and, believe me, it's no fucking fun watching years worth of blackbooks and flicks walk out the door. Supplies can be replaced, but if they want to be hardasses they'll try to use it as evidence even though it doesn't stand up well in court. But, I'll never get my shit back even though I never was charged with anything. I filed numerous property relinquishment forms, to no avail...they're probably being used to prop up the water cooler for all I know.

    That story might freak you out, but it's a worst case scenario. At least half of the graff cases I know about eventually get dropped for various reasons, mainly due to lack of evidence. It takes a lot of time and money to get a conviction, and the court system in a lot of places is swamped and operates on a triage basis by fast-tracking violent crime....so, a lot of misdemeanor stuff falls by the wayside as a result. Plus, they have a certain amount of time to prosecute you- if you case keeps getting continued, it's a good sign it's not that strong and won't amount to much in the end. BTW, I work as an investigator for a law firm, so I have a pretty good grasp on this.

    But, get a lawyer, keep your mouth shut, and clean house. You'll be glad you did.
  7. Defect Cards

    Defect Cards Member

    Joined: Jul 3, 2005 Messages: 545 Likes Received: 0
    Damn! that article is nuts...... Sorry I don't have any advice on getting busted, when I did I was let go minus a few markers and a can of paint so I didn't have to deal with the courts etc.
  8. shai

    shai Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jan 6, 2003 Messages: 17,602 Likes Received: 707
    It was scary...I was coming home when I got a call saying I should wait, there was something going down, so I posted up across the street and watched...that's why I don't tell anyone where I live anymore and have a mail drop and unlisted number.
  9. leftandleaving

    leftandleaving Junior Member

    Joined: Feb 17, 2005 Messages: 173 Likes Received: 0
    As far as them studying your tags and throws to try and say charge you in relation to all of them it's highly questionable whether they can do so. Recently in California doing this was held to be contrary to the state constitution, but that's the cali state constitution, looking up the case or mentioning it your lawyer might benefit you even though it wont be precedent outside of california. Shai is right as far as clearing out your house, definately do that before they get a warrant and try to collect evidence. Th only other I'd say is if you don't have a lawyer yet then look up your state's laws on graffiti are. Most states have a penal code that you can look at online and you can search it using keywords like graffiti.

  10. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    dope, im definatley gonna get rid of my sketches just in case they do get a warrant, but being that I live in Canada, hopefully that wont happen.

    thanks for all the advice ^&^

  11. Biggus Dickus

    Biggus Dickus Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 21, 2005 Messages: 1,371 Likes Received: 1
    The best advice I can give you is that since you've already posted that you're guilty and you live in Canada, stop posting any more information right now. Cops read this board, and although they probably stopped caring when you mentioned "juvenile", you're better off limiting the information you place online about anything.
  12. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    whos to say im not just some 12 year old fuck with too much time on his hands, making shit up?
  13. shai

    shai Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jan 6, 2003 Messages: 17,602 Likes Received: 707
    I hope not...but all that info applies to the rest of you, too.

    Canadian law is different. Best talk to a laywer there.
  14. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    alright, thanks shai
    a lawyer is beyond my reach...so im gonna have to take a public defender.
  15. SSeko157

    SSeko157 New Jack

    Joined: Sep 5, 2005 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    just as good, Im hoping.