mental invalid Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 ...over 100 people injured and 22 dead in the suicide attack during the jewish holiday.....woman kills two today...man stabs and kills two jews ...israel sends in troops and bulldozes a hole into arafats compound...5 dead...they makes allegations of "war"..... ....the summit in lebanon is looking like a joke....with leaders not showing, people walking out, changes in plans.... im begining to really become afraid....on a positive side 600 pro-Palestinian foreigners have gone into Palestine to act as a human sheild...and try to prevent more violence subscrition needed, but its free... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/29/internat...ml?pagewanted=2 so i guess my questions are can arafat be effective in a peace process? is he even capable of gaining control? is afraid of political backlash against him or part of the plan? should he be ousted? should we go over his head, and go straight to hamas and jihad leaders...that would mean readdressing them as a political organization and not as a terrorist group....we negotiate with the ira and ulster parties, is there a difference? can someone like sharon convicted of war crimes ever be a leader of peace? how come when the israeli army kills a palestinian citizen its an atrocity and they issue a formal apology, but when hamas does it, its for the cause and against the enemy? is there a double standard? in muslim religion suicide is considered the gravest of sins, how do they rationalize the suicide bombings? add whateva ya want, i just wanted to get my thoughts in order for myself and hear anyone elses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secn Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 Well it sucks to live over their, and all this hasnt really effected me much but in a way it has.Bcause i hear about it all the time, and i just would rather have things being under control.Damn terrorists piss me off, oh well i have no clue whats going to happen next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 that whole situation is so completely beyond me, i cant even begin to understand why the fuck the whole thing cant just be solved. to me it seems so simple and plain, isreal, give them back their land, palestine, quit fucking killing people. send in a bunch of un peace keepers for a while, cook everyone waffles and fucking chill out. damn man. in michael mores new book, he details his plan for ending that conflict. i cant remember the details, but its so very simple and so seemingly effective. can arafat control the fringe groups blowing themselfs up? well, considering that everytime one of them does it, arafat is the only one that takes a beating, clearly they arent real concerned with his safety and well being. this whole fucking mess was started by the UN, and it needs to be fixed by the UN. isreal and palestine are like two bratty kids fighting over a stuffed monkey. now its time for mom to step in, send them to their rooms, cut the monkey in half and say 'see, is that what you wanted, is that all better now'? and fucking ground them for a week with no allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23578 Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 it's definately time to play nice. i'm still pissed at israel a bit for thier authoritarian role that they're stuck in which is mostly sharon's doing, but, hey, they elected him. i'm sure there is a better way. i heard on the radio, the israeli ambassador was speaking, sharon apparently imposed the travel restrictions and then realized it was a mistake, but it'd make him look weak if he backed off now. that seems like a snapshot of what's going on. fucking disturbing sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whoami Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 its not religion and their land and money...Money is usually always the cause of large terror.....Legalize weed their and peace will come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ted Wakowski Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 ^^ Hahaha. Someone should fly crop dusters over the area spraying out mass amounts of weed smoke. Imagine a bunch of fucked-up Palestinian suicide-bombers ... Palestinian radical 1: "Brooo, fuck bombin' those other dudes, *cough* it's like totally tooo much effort, and I'm like toootally wasted." Palestinian radical 2: "Man *cough* I'm like totally on that wavelength. Lets knock down some filafels and hit up the shrine -- I got a fuckin' killer new form of strict religious worship and a bomb-ass prayer style to show you." Palestinan radical 1: "Right on!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 palestine isnt a country, a state, a nation, nothing....the land was controlled by jordan for a while before it was controlled by britain, and then given to the jews after world war II...wasnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 bottom line is youre dealing with two groups of people that believe they are in the right arguing over land...one group was given the land, the others havent had the land in a couple hundred years...at least.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 My view on the issue is the revolutionary one: israel has no right to exist. The palestinians have had their land stolen from them, they are fighting to get it back, what is wrong with that? striking back at their oppressors and the so called "terrorism" that they are using is just like what george washington used against the brittish (i dont think they had suicide bombers back then though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whoami Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Originally posted by dukeofyork palestine isnt a country, a state, a nation, nothing....the land was controlled by jordan for a while before it was controlled by britain, and then given to the jews after world war II...wasnt it? Yes america had to take away their land and give it away to the poor old jews....Its like what we did to the indians except the indians here dont care enough to go blow themselfs up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 George Washington fought soldiers NOT unarmed civilians shopping for food. I've been thinking about this alot. Shit is out of control. A suicide bomber hits that hotel full of families eating a religious dinner on a very holy night. A female suicide bomber explodes at the entrance of a supermarket on Passover when innocent people are shopping. A Palestinian attacks and stabs to death two 70 year olds Jews on the way to a Synagouge. Then you got the Arab summit. Where they don't allow Arafat to be broadcasted live. The PLO representatives walk out. The Saudi's and Egyptians don't bother to attend. Arafat says after having his headquarters surrounded. That "Israel want's him in jail, out of power, or dead...I pray to Allah to be a Martyr" Coming from a man that always tells the West he is against Martyrs is sure sounds like he supporting them with his little pep talk. If these Palestinians Suicide Bombers/knifers really want to do something they should attack Israeli barracks or the police NOT innocent women and children buying food at the local supermarket. What pisses me off more is all these Islamic leaders were telling the US not to continue bombing during the month of Ramadan, which would give Al qaeda and the Taliban a month to recover. Yet when all these suicide bombers attack Israeli civilians on 2 of their holiest days no one says shit. No Arab leader condemns their actions publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Soul_On_Ice Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Good points Pistol. I was basically going to say the same the same thing. I don't really see an end. If they agree on peace there are still going to be suicide bombers that are unhappy. If they go to war & one side wins, the other side is still gonna rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 when did this all start? world war one??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 eh..... most days i'm like a swing.. today i can't fuckin' stand israel. tomorrow it'll probly be the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greedy mars Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 i could care less.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtysicks Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Boo Yaka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 http://www.msnbc.com/news/730905.asp?cp1=1 :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 ....im a tire swing myself browner.....just going around and around.... good question about the history of palestine....im not quite sure actually, i know the land was divided by the british and certain muslim groups got the shaft after ww2, when they were promised land by england for help against the nazis, and never got it... did you guys know that at the time there was a faction of the zionist movement that actually wanted to create the israeli state in south america or the carribean...the group based it reasoning on pure isolationism and the idea that it was better for them to live alone rather then in the middle of their enemies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23578 Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 that's ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownbread? Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 good point pistol. the way i see it is peace wont come any time soon because both countries are too stubborn. and before there can even be peace you have to get rid of the hatred within the people. how long will a peace agreement last if the people still have the same feeling towards each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 in this case the palestinian fly explodes when cup is put near mouth at dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 pssst,hey,you there.... osama is hiding in the Philippines..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 the Frenchman wold have also surrendered to the dead fly and given it the Eifel Tower as a gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted April 3, 2002 Author Share Posted April 3, 2002 is sharon smoking crack? making statements like that, does he not realize that it only bolsters arafats strentgh and image not only in the middle east but also internationally.... unbelievable...:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 the whole middle east is just so messed up , they all need to chill the fuck out and take an objective view of the whole situation and the travesties they are committing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 Re: pssst,hey,you there.... Originally posted by willy.wonka osama is hiding in the Philippines..... im telling you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 ^^^ somebody like "smart piece" it together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Are2 Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 the governments involved in that struggle are not moving any closer toward an agreement... arafat is never going to lead his people to a stable governement, and i believe many of those people aren't interested in peace anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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