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rails-to-trails conservancy

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by hobbesv2, Feb 13, 2002.

  1. hobbesv2

    hobbesv2 Member

    Joined: Oct 21, 2000 Messages: 651 Likes Received: 0
    Link.

    i'm not sure what i think of this whole thing. admittedly i haven't done all that much research at this point, but my initial reaction was Great, that's awesome. and then i saw that they were paving over tracks and such, which sorta pissed me off. clearly it makes a whole lotta sense, but...the whole writer/pseudo-railfan perspective made me envision this weirdly romantic thing. i mean _i_ like walkin down the tracks as they ARE.

    but whatever i just figured maybe some of you guys'd be interested. it was definitely something i'd never heard about...just happened to stumble over this stuff - bored, y'know

    guess i didn't really bring out a question. part of me feels like this sorta project detracts from what the rails already have. it kinda usurps the line as artifact, a piece of history. suddenly you have this package that maybe devalues all that. so what's really goin on? do the benefits outway these concerns? is there any reason to give a fuck?
     
  2. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 23, 2000 Messages: 12,434 Likes Received: 85
    well we wouldn't want anyone to trip and file a lawsuit.hehe
     
  3. hobbesv2

    hobbesv2 Member

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    certainlycertainly. BUT - some of you railfans...i'd be curious to hear your views on the issue. is seeing an old line put to new use a positive thing? or is it just a weird way to capitalize on something that's already got a lot of inherent worth?

    gimme sthg here.
     
  4. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    Rails to trails sucks ass. It means the line's been abandoned. I hate that shit.
     
  5. EL MASKO

    EL MASKO Elite Member

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    They can rot in hell those capitalist pigs. An abandonded train track is better than some "paved" trail. People in wheelchairs can use the rails. And little kids could stoll on care-free walks w/out the hazard of moving trains, but the rebelious feel of walking on the train tracks. That program and its creators can straight die.
     
  6. kinkosnerd

    kinkosnerd Junior Member

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    I dont like the idea of making a paved road or walkway out of the site where the tracks used to lay, but I have seen some neat stuff outside of Savannah GA near some army base where they took an old line and made kind of a sandy dirt walking path.. you can still tell where the rails were and i think that they even left the ties, just pulled up the steel... I would rather see that, then see it gone altogether. But overall I agree most with Cracked on this one, It just sucks because that means one less track thats being used out there. . Fuck a whole bunch of semis.

    Some of the tracks out in the pacific northwest that arent used anymore i think could be potentially nice trails, but trails are not paved walkways.. so I dont really know what I think.. the whole thing really makes me think alot of suburbia though.. and Wally and Ethel going out for a sunday drive and a stroll on the old B&O down the way..
    that thought makes me mad..
     
  7. hobbesv2

    hobbesv2 Member

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    i know, right? at first the old vestiges of idealism were makin me think it'd be a pretty amazing thing to promote hiking on abandoned railroads. balancing on the steel, stepping over all the ties, just trekkin along wondering about the old days. getting to envision the way your city used to look, how stuff worked way back when. sort of an urban camping experience for younguns and fogeys. but no, it's gotta be poured over, paved out, fenced in. piss me off.

    seems sorta better than nothing, somehow, but...ugh - drives me crazy all in all.

    but what happens to dead tracks if you just let 'em sit? i mean i expect a big Nothing. just can't say i'm 100% positive that that's it.
     
  8. baLLeRplAyA

    baLLeRplAyA Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 954 Likes Received: 2
    this is just a perfect example of society's mentality today. no one cares about the past, the history, of this place enough to see the value in what WE obviously care about.......just pave it over so that its more marketable to land developers.....thats pretty damn sad.
     
  9. KaBar

    KaBar Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 9, 2001 Messages: 1,397 Likes Received: 11
    Yuppie Entitlement

    The Rails-to-Trails idea is another good example of NIMBY yuppie entitlement. It started out as being sold to the railroads as a way to improve their public image--the railroads would donate THE USE of their property (the railway Right of Way) and the tree huggers would raise money to provide a trail. After a few years, though, it got to be an attitude of entitlement on the part of the tree huggers. It's like "Hey, you aren't using that rail line and it's real convenient to our new condo development, so you are OBLIGATED to tear up the rails so we can have a cool hike 'n' bike path." I hope the railroads tell them to go fuck themselves. They move into formerly industrial areas to get "loft" space cheaply, and then immediately begin to bitch piteously because of the pollution and the homeless panhandlers and the train noise. Assholes. I HATE everything about yuppies. "GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS AND TAKE YOUR LIBERAL STENCH WITH YA."
     
  10. hobbesv2

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  11. C-O-K PBScru

    C-O-K PBScru Member

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    i think those damn walk ways and bike trails would promote more crime cause some old woman could be walkin and she can get robed or some chick could get raped but that is just my 2cents
     
  12. kaesthebluntedwonder

    kaesthebluntedwonder Elite Member

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    i went on a bike ride on a path that was paved over an old old abandoned line..i just wish that it werent paved over....the only thing left reall was, well the path itself, a bridge over a lake which gives a bootiful view and some big pole that was knocked over, im guessing once used to load things onto cars. its sad though..i remember in new hampshire over the summer seeing quite a few old abandoned tracks which hadnt been paved over..hope they stay that way
     
  13. FR8HOUND

    FR8HOUND Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Mar 21, 2001 Messages: 6,795 Likes Received: 38
    THAT IS A BIG DILEMA WHERE I AM FROM, OUR TOWN HAS A VERY OLD HISTORY OF TRAINS, THERE ARE ABANDONED TRACKS EVERYWHERE, AND ALOT OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND STILL MORE TO BE DONE, I THINK IT SUCKS ASS TOO!!!!!!!!!! F.T.W.
     
  14. HAL

    HAL Guest

    I have some mixed feelings.

    On one hand, I'd much rather have an abandoned line become a little trail than paved over to make way for a new Walmart plaza. There's honestly a lot of lines that they're never going to use again, and I'd rather it stays there as a reminder, instead of development taking over. The rails to trails projects here do not pave or fence anything in. They pull up the rail and pretty much leave everything else. There's a lot of cool abandoned buildings and bridges that look rad and make for some nice quiet weekday painting.
    On the other hand, if the rail could theoretically be used again, then converting it into a trail is gay. That really doesn't happen around here, probably because there aren't many lines anyways. I would be pissed if a really long promising line got converted into a trail, but even then it's still better than when they dig part of it up to make room for a shopping plaza or gas station. I don't know why it's such a bad thing that people want to hike an old railroad line. With the financial state of most rail corporations nowadays, I don't think opening up old lines is a huge priority. I imagine it would be an expensive project to refinish deteriorated ties and rail, not to mention update crossing gates and all that safety shit.
     
  15. CROW RA

    CROW RA Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 14, 2001 Messages: 1,717 Likes Received: 1
    -from my buddy anvil-he painted with me back in the day!

    HERE IS MY REPLY TO THESE DUDES BITCHIN' LIKE OLD WOMEN....I'M AN AVID TRAIL USER AND I'M GIVING PART OF MY INCOME TO THIS ORGANIZATION TO FUND AND PROMOTE THE TRANSFORMATION OF OLD ABANDONED RAILWAYS. WHAT GOOD ARE THEY JUST ROTTING THERE? I'M FOR SURE NOT GOING TO RIDE MY BIKE ON THE HIGHWAY FOR SOMEONE TO RUN ME OFF! I DON'T KNOW WHERE SOME OF THESE GUYS GET THERE INFO FROM, BUT RTC DOESN'T SUPPORT SHOPPING PLAZAS AND CONDO DEVELOPMENTS, THEY PRESERVE THE OLD RAILS AND MAKE THEM USEFUL AGAIN, BESIDES, THEY JUST CAN'T GO IN AND DO IT, IT IS USUALLY A VOTED ISSUE THAT THE COMMUNITY DECIDES. I WOULD GLADLY DEBATE ANY OF THESE GUYS AND SET THEM STRAIGHT ON THE MATTER.
     
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