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Pyschology behind anti-Americanism?

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Brownbread?, Jun 17, 2002.

  1. Brownbread?

    Brownbread? 12oz Junior Member

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    Pyschology behind anti-Americanism?

    Discussion started by Brownbread? - Jun 17, 2002

    **I didn't write this but i found it at some sport forum on the net. Just wanted to see what yall thought of it?Agree?Disagree? **

    Pyschology behind anti-Americanism?

    Just thought I'd start a thread for the INTELLIGENT and OBJECTIVE posters out there regarding their views on the pyschology behind American-bashing.

    I speak as a patriotic (yet hopefully realistic) American who has lived abroad in Europe for a number of years, currently stationed in England.

    To set up the thread, let me say that there are MANY good non-Americans who have enough intelligence and objectivity to see that while the US, like EVERY other country, is NOT TOTALLY FREE from doing any wrong throughout its history and in the present, it also has done, and continues to do, much good as well, just as their own country does. In other words, they don't buy into this "either/or" stupidity of suggesting that a country, in this case the US, is either completely evil/erroneous in everything it does, or completely good/perfect in anything it does.

    Indeed, as annoyed as I get with some Yanks who think the US is above reproach in anything it has ever done in the past or in the present or will do in the future, I also find it ironic to hear non-Americans simply assert that the US has done, and continues to do, things which are no good and of no benefit to other nations as well as themselves.

    For those occasional Brits and Mainland Europeans and all other global villagers that call me and my country nothing but "arrogant", smacks of their own moral POMPOUSNESS...and false self-righteous. As a patriotic American, I think objective SELF-criticism of one's self and one’s country is a part of indeed really being a true patriot (as the US Constitution suggests with its stated rights)...However, I get annoyed when I hear a NON-American doing it in the absolute sense, calling me and my country which they've never been to as being NOTHING BUT Arrogant. They complain the US knows nothing about them and their country--that the rest of the world is just a tourist destination, but how well indeed do they know us? How many have walked in our shoes, before they decide to still plant bombs in them and try to blow up planes? Many only get Hollywood's plasticized version of America..you know, via that evil "Cultural Imperialism" of the US in the global market, in having the arrogance to offer all their goods in foreign markets, regardless if foreigners eat up McDonald's like crazy one day, while joining anti-American protest the next day as they bash in the windows...

    An analogy to serve my complaint is like one's parents: It's alright for YOU to criticize them, but it's NOT as alright for all non-family members to unsolicitously criticize them without you or your parents first asking for such criticism.

    My reply to all non-American’s bashing my country:

    LOOK IN YOUR OWN MIRROR, AND TAKE THE LOG OUT OF YOUR EYE.....at least do so BEFORE you proceed to tell me to take the LOG out of my own eye (or blow me up instead in the name of “….” And for your own supposed glory and reward.)

    Your thoughts/explanations?...What is your view of the pyschology behind this anti-Americanism?
     
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  2. JIGSAW

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    JIGSAW - Replied Jun 17, 2002

    Caught between my culture and the system....genocide
     
  3. atc

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    atc - Replied Jun 18, 2002

    I think that is due to the fact that the ideal behind the newfound patriotism is so strong, to go against it would be like being thought a communist in the mccarthy era. youd be hounded and hunted. the more i read about how the us govt knew a LOT about what might happen on the exact date of 9/11. the more i realized how they simply reengineered patriotism to get your american/insert ethnicty here-american behind them. i will say this much; it unfortuanetly worked.
     
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  4. KaBar

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    KaBar - Replied Jun 18, 2002

    In my opinion, the psychology behind America-bashers is strictly envious sour grapes. BELIEVE ME, if France or The Netherlands or any of the other countries who persist in criticising the U.S. ever found themselves in the position we are in now, THEY WOULD PUT THEIR BOOT ON THE NECK OF THE REST OF THE WORLD.
    The reason they are whining and bitching so loudly is because that's all they CAN do. They are reduced to begging the Americans to come unscramble their problems. Worse, half of these LAME-ASS countries expect US to come bail them out every time they start slaughtering each other over NOTHING.
    I'm sick of them. Every last one of our critics has permitted themselves to be led down the democratic socialist garden path, and then proceeded to whine and cry about how their economy is falling victim to the mean old cruel American economic hegemony. Half of these people rip off all their big farmers, "nationalize" the farms, and then after they go broke and the farms all fail, then they self-righteously criticize the U.S. and the UN and blame everybody else because their numb-nuts socialist farmers can't even feed THEMSELVES, much less the rest of the country.
    I used to really admire Switzerland. Did you know that Switzerland had a Constitutional republican form of government (like the United States) before the United States did? They fed themselves, they stayed neutral in wars, they had a very democratic form of government and the had a VERY large militia force, with EVERY MALE CITIZEN BETWEEN 16 and 65 issued a military assault rifle. They kept them at home, alongbwith a case of ammunition.
    But now, the Swiss are PUSSIN' OUT on us. No more militia. No more right to keep and bear arms. And they are ruining their Constitution by taking the power away from the cantons. Too bad. Liberals suck. They ruin everything they touch, in an attempt to make things "better", meaning of course, "more equal," they somehow miraculously wind up having to settle for "more power for the liberal politicians and more people bossing the rest of you drones around."
    Edit: 6/18/02 One last shot--all you've got to do to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to you how much better the United States is than every-goddam-place-else on this planet is go on an international trip. When you get back, you will be tearin' up with joy to be back in the U.S.A. They criticize us, but they can't even provide clean water or paved roads in their own countries. American women have more power and status and opportunity than any nation on earth. We have the best of everything, and we did not get it by begging for it or stealing it from somebody else--WE WORKED TO BUILD IT HERE. I say that we should ignore them and all their complaints. Let them build up their own countries, solve their own problems and disputes, train their own physicians, make their own cars and take care of their own problems. WE DO. And so can they.
    It's only when they attack us and kill our citizens that we go thump their sorry asses. Us getting attacked by al-Quaida is like us getting attacked by Nazis. Let's go get their ass---NO MERCY. They don't deserve any.
     
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    blame - Replied Jun 18, 2002

    one time and band camp, they said we are not allowed to have pillow fights...but we did anyway....and it was reallly fun
     
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  6. Wilt

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    Wilt - Replied Jun 18, 2002

    i think patriotism is both cliche' and a passing fad...and not that im a marylin manson fan..but to quote him he said "50% of fame is people who love you and the other 50% is people that hate you" thats basically america....no matter wether you love us or hate us..you're still going to hear us..and we're still in other peoples thoughts..even americans who dislike the way america is run still help out america...by doing things like not voting...i think the psychology behind anti-america is that people see the lovely president bush,making a fool out of himself and all of the rest of us..and people abroad see it...and see a pompous fuckface who is all talk...and even better, everyone is finding out that we basically LET the planes hit out precious WTC, and how could they not look down upon us?shame on us ya know?however the pendulum does swing in either direction.because we do bail a lot of countries out of sticky situations....its too complicated to be resolved in some thread.
     
  7. Ted Wakowski

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    Ted Wakowski - Replied Jun 18, 2002

     
  8. BROWNer

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    BROWNer - Replied Jun 18, 2002

    read between the lines.