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Pledge ban set for March 10 in nine states

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by swif1, Mar 3, 2003.

  1. swif1

    swif1 Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 13, 2001 Messages: 7,067 Likes Received: 29
    Pledge ban set for March 10 in nine states

    A ruling by a U.S. appeals court could force millions of students to stop reciting the Pledge of Allegiance within days if the controversial decision is not overturned by a higher court, legal experts said Saturday.

    Public schools with some 9.6 million students in nine states have until March 10 to stop reciting the pledge after the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals backed its prior ruling that the words "under God" in the pledge are a government endorsement of religion.

    If Friday's decision by the 9th Circuit Court is not stayed by the appellate court or by a U.S. Supreme Court order, it will take effect and may set up a challenge in the high court, the experts said.

    "The 9th Circuit Court took the unusual step of saying they would not entertain any more requests for a rehearing," said Vikram Amar, a professor of law at the University of California's Hastings College of Law in San Francisco.

    "I construe that as a message the 9th Circuit is done with this case and moving it in the direction of the Supreme Court."

    However, if the high court does take up the 9th Circuit Court's decision, it may not result a dramatic final ruling in the controversial area of church and state separation, Amar told Reuters.

    "It's hard to see more than a few votes on the Supreme Court to support what the 9th Circuit Court did," Amar said.

    "The high court could reverse the 9th Circuit and have a very narrow ruling on 'religion-lite' that says opaque references like this to religion that we've lived with for a long time do not violate the establishment clause."

    The words "under God" were added to the pledge in 1954 through a federal law amid a Cold War push to distinguish the United States from an atheistic Soviet Union.

    Groups supporting the separation of church and state praised the San Francisco-based appellate court's decision, supporting a law suit filed in 2000 by Sacramento, California atheist Michael Newdow.

    In his suit against the Elk Grove Unified School District, Newdow challenged the pledge, contending it coerced his elementary school-age daughter and claiming the pledge violated the separation of church and state because it discriminated against atheists.

    The 9th Circuit Court's initial June 2002 ruling backing the claims touched off a furor across the country, where the famously liberal San Francisco court was accused of taking a hammer to a pillar of U.S. civic society and bowing to political correctness run amok.

    President Bush called the decision "ridiculous," while the U.S. Senate voted 99-0 for a resolution expressing support for the pledge.

    The Justice Department joined the White House, the U.S. Congress, State of California and others in asking the 9th Circuit to reconsider its initial ruling that schoolchildren could no longer recite the pledge because of the phrase "one nation under God."

    The court's decision rejected the pleas and immediately drew criticism from U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft.

    "The Justice Department will spare no effort to preserve the rights of all our citizens to pledge allegiance to the American flag," Ashcroft said.

    "We will defend the ability of Americans to declare their patriotism through the time-honored tradition of voluntarily reciting the pledge."

    03/03/2003 09:04
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  2. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2000 Messages: 6,979 Likes Received: 2
    oh great.... and who gets blamed for the explosion of p.c.b.s. ?
  3. -Rage-

    -Rage- 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 12, 2001 Messages: 11,276 Likes Received: 71
    People baffle me.
  4. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2000 Messages: 6,979 Likes Received: 2
    ^ not just the girls? they baffle me!
  5. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    I thought this was going to be a ban on that foul lemony shit you spray on furniture.
    I'm down to get rid of the other pledge, though. Anything to reduce the jingoist flavor in this country lately.
  6. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Veteran Member

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    yeah... I'm really tired of everyone getting 'jiggy with it.'
  7. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    good.......its all fucking bullshit anyway.....under god was only added later on, as a result of the godless communist and the red scare......

    dear john ashcroft....die

    thank you
  8. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

    Joined: Oct 7, 2001 Messages: 2,955 Likes Received: 1
    whos agenda is this and for what reason is this being done? maybe its a anti-terror measure to make sure that there is no belief in god therefore preventing converts to islam who may become future terrorists. we need armed guards at every class room door to prevent terrorists from making students say these pledges to "god"
  9. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    richard ashcroft too.

    fuckin verve limey bullshit.
  10. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    an anti war measure?

    no its about seperation of church and state...

    civics 101...........
  11. uncle-boy

    uncle-boy Guest


    why dont i hear all you anti-christian girls complaining about muslim students having set aside times during school for praising allah?? only shit about how prayer, the bible, and any mention of "god" doesnt belong in school? and what about not allowing bibles in school librarys, but having a plethora of books on witchcraft?

    if your gonna get your panties in a bunch over religion in school, spread that hate around.
  12. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    couldnt agree with you more.......

    lets dump it all......god may not save your soul, but he can get you killed
  13. swif1

    swif1 Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 13, 2001 Messages: 7,067 Likes Received: 29
    i think you mean "spread the legs," uncle-boy.
  14. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    What does snoop dog use to wash his clothes?